Where to Tow Junk Motor Homes in Md
But it might grow in me to like it -- so I ordered one.
Tesla Pugly SOB!
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I have not been so shocked in a long time. Don't like it. I hope it sells. Can't see how it could tow a fifth wheel even a small one. I have often griped about how tall the bed rails are and this is a whole order of magnitude worse. Not going to reach over the side to grab your tool caddie or anything else.
Ford, Chevy, Rivian and the rest should have no worries.
Some kid has got to tell the emperor he has no clothes.
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time2roll wrote:
I have not been so shocked in a long time. Don't like it. I hope it sells. Can't see how it could tow a fifth wheel even a small one. I have often griped about how tall the bed rails are and this is a whole order of magnitude worse. Not going to reach over the side to grab your tool caddie or anything else.
Ford, Chevy, Rivian and the rest should have no worries.
Some kid has got to tell the emperor he has no clothes.
Yeah, I agree, it's not meant to be a work truck. One analyst actually anticipated that it will be a truck for millennials who wants a cab to load his surf board.
"Fully refundable. You will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in late 2021. Tri Motor AWD production is expected to begin in late 2022."
https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck/design#battery
Is this some sort of a joke?
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I'm not sure if it's advisable to go on auto-pilot while towing a trailer.
Besides, the price is so attractive.
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Hi, that has to be a joke, until the real truck is ready to be shown. Looks like a Delorean - Chalet. "> Bob ">
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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
@time2roll - Thanks for showing the picture -- do you agree with me that it's ugly?
Very, very ugly and looks like it was put together in a backyard
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
ROTFLMAO, 1970's called and they want there wedge car back! LMAO
Is this some sort of a joke?
No unfortunately it is not April 1st
time2roll wrote:
I have not been so shocked in a long time. Don't like it. I hope it sells. Can't see how it could tow a fifth wheel even a small one. I have often griped about how tall the bed rails are and this is a whole order of magnitude worse. Not going to reach over the side to grab your tool caddie or anything else.
Ford, Chevy, Rivian and the rest should have no worries.
Some kid has got to tell the emperor he has no clothes.
That kid would bethe one who designed it
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
@time2roll - Thanks for showing the picture -- do you agree with me that it's ugly?
I don't care if it's ugly or not...even as a grocery getter, it's not very practical.
But yeah, it's ugly.
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Another Tesla dumb idea. ROTFLMAO I hate when that happens! The look on Tusks face was priceless.
The dude that told him you can hit the window is now looking for a job today!
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Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I hate when you try to perpetuate a fraud in front of a lot of people but don't have time or engineering to pull it off:
ROTFLMAO I hate when that happens! The look on Tusks face was priceless.
The dude that told him you can hit the window is now looking for a job today!
Well.... The windows broke, "shattered", but they weren't penetrated. Not unusual for "bullet proof" or "break resistant", but doesn't look good when it is done.
Did they not try it beforehand to see what would happen??
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Tvov wrote:
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Did they not try it beforehand to see what would happen??
Tusk uses his customers as test dummies, so this was SOP
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I can't believe they are building it. Remember the old commercial years ago?
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afidel wrote:
I think they are sandbagging on the tow rating, with a 3,500lb payload on the base truck and electric drive they can pull a hell of a lot more than 7k pounds. I think I might change my next purchase from a 5er to a travel trailer so I can pull with the tri-motor, ~250 miles of towing range without using any gas is going to be great. The only interesting thing would be that I'd need 2x 50A spots reserved, one for the TT and one for the truck to refill (that or a splitter and a smart device that limits the truck to whatever the TT isn't using).
afidel wrote:
I think they are sandbagging on the tow rating, with a 3,500lb payload on the base truck and electric drive they can pull a hell of a lot more than 7k pounds. I think I might change my next purchase from a 5er to a travel trailer so I can pull with the tri-motor, ~250 miles of towing range without using any gas is going to be great. The only interesting thing would be that I'd need 2x 50A spots reserved, one for the TT and one for the truck to refill (that or a splitter and a smart device that limits the truck to whatever the TT isn't using).
Would you even pull a trailer out of your driveway without rear view mirrors? I wouldn't. I realize it has cameras but unless they are on stalks that extend to 9 feet I would consider them useless. I like to look down the side of my trailer when towing and backing. Good point regarding destination charging. Don't want any one way trips!
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
One FUGLY bad boy!
But it might grow in me to like it -- so I ordered one.
Tesla Pugly SOB!
FIFY
I hope this is just one of his narcissistic stunts.
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Bird Freak wrote:
afidel wrote:
I think they are sandbagging on the tow rating, with a 3,500lb payload on the base truck and electric drive they can pull a hell of a lot more than 7k pounds. I think I might change my next purchase from a 5er to a travel trailer so I can pull with the tri-motor, ~250 miles of towing range without using any gas is going to be great. The only interesting thing would be that I'd need 2x 50A spots reserved, one for the TT and one for the truck to refill (that or a splitter and a smart device that limits the truck to whatever the TT isn't using).
I think you will need to rethink your range when towing.
That's the killer for electric trucks. It takes a lot of energy to tow something so your range would suck, and recharges are slow - if even available. Most of our camping is primitive or in no service campgrounds, so we'd show up and then have to kick the genny on to recharge the truck? I think EV's can make a lot of sense in some vehicles such as commuters, but we are a long way off from them making sense in this role.
That said lots of F150s do nothing but commute and I guess there's nothing wrong with an electric pickup if that's all you do with it. This particular version is awfully ugly but concepts are often far different looking than the final product.
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afidel wrote:
I think they are sandbagging on the tow rating, with a 3,500lb payload on the base truck and electric drive they can pull a hell of a lot more than 7k pounds. I think I might change my next purchase from a 5er to a travel trailer so I can pull with the tri-motor, ~250 miles of towing range without using any gas is going to be great. The only interesting thing would be that I'd need 2x 50A spots reserved, one for the TT and one for the truck to refill (that or a splitter and a smart device that limits the truck to whatever the TT isn't using).
Splitting power should not be any trouble. Still might take 48 hours to fully charge a very depleted battery on a shared 50a supply.
Me, not so much.
The $100 down payment, which is refundable, will get lots and lots of hits and will make him look like the Emperor HE THINKS HE IS! That's a great commercial gimmick for something that might or might not ever become available.
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Tesla's cybertruck ordering portal keeps on crashing since last night.
The problem for me is that I might not anymore have the money to pay for my order with Tesla's stocks tanking in the market. Dang!
midnightsadie wrote:
this was not made for any body over 25yrs old. the very young will love it.
Probably could merge the what is a SUV thread with this one. Because this in not a pickup. Load any loose material, mulch, dirt, gravel...nope. Fifth wheel...nope. Gooseneck...nope. Toolbox...nope. Very disappointing.
That seems to be catch 22 if you are not plug in to shore power in fear of battery drain. But if you have an RV plugged to shore power, you don't need these outlets -- well, except the 240v.
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The verdict is split with most have ordered or about to order.
There are really such thing as Tesla cult, lol.
time2roll wrote:
I hope the entire frame and underbody structure is made from that special stainless steel. At least you could drive it through the salted winters of the northeast without rotting away.
And that 9mm bullet proof and dent resistance will make you feel safe driving in Texas with out-of-state license plate and tree-hugger's-climate change believer pick up.![[emoticon]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/blogger_img_proxy/AEn0k_vyO8XvNQKBXfYWH7LFfqzr4r6mHfVgPhdkDuxS_azRfbzkk-T09qsz_FJ94G4QtcLv8oQQxRNH1gBNlhnITWHiTcJBf4c8WVzvsrhRnhsWU7qnTgjZyQ=s0-d "wink")
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Another interesting feature, 120v and 240v outlets.
That seems to be catch 22 if you are not plug in to shore power in fear of battery drain. But if you have an RV plugged to shore power, you don't need these outlets -- well, except the 240v.
Not new. Others have that.
My daughters and sons like it as way coool!
I must spend more time camping as I anticipate I'll have their trucks and cars in my garage more often. I'll mind even if it's Tesla X. There must be some way to password protect it.
thomasmnile wrote:
Wall Street isn't loving it. Guess they thought Tesla was going to unveil a 'real' truck that will compete in the marketplace. Darned capitalists! But, you have to wonder if this is just another Musk PT Barnum moment......and the actual product he brings to market comes later.
Not too far out. It has as much social media mention in nearly 24 hours compared with new Mustang EV in 7 days.
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thomasmnile wrote:
Wall Street isn't loving it. Guess they thought Tesla was going to unveil a 'real' truck that will compete in the marketplace. Darned capitalists! But, you have to wonder if this is just another Musk PT Barnum moment......and the actual product he brings to market comes later.
fj12ryder wrote:
thomasmnile wrote:
Wall Street isn't loving it. Guess they thought Tesla was going to unveil a 'real' truck that will compete in the marketplace. Darned capitalists! But, you have to wonder if this is just another Musk PT Barnum moment......and the actual product he brings to market comes later.
Well, it will be at least a couple years before it gets to market, if the semi "production" is any evidence, so the looks could change dramatically. Maybe even to something useful, although that seems unlikely since it wouldn't be "dramatic" and "ground breaking" enough.
Hopefully since I already ordered.
I won't mind making it look like the 'ol military humvee hood or front of Land Rover Defender with the all steel bumper.
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I've seen gap before, but nothing like this! What a HD truck!
Remember when Tusk teased about Ram's "puny" load rating? LMAO
The springs are sagging with a quad in the back!! LOL
BTW, that quad is a Yamaha 700 all frauded out by Tusk! LMAO
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This thing has gap! ^^^^^^
I wonder if it will fly if you pull it.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Well would you look at the "GAP!"
I've seen gap before, but nothing like this! What a HD truck!
Remember when Tusk teased about Ram's "puny" load rating? LMAO
The springs are sagging with a quad in the back!! LOL
BTW, that quad is a Yamaha 700 all frauded out by Tusk! LMAO
This thing has gap! ^^^^^^
I think that is the air suspension that lowers for easy loading/unloading. Not a bad idea considering how high even conventional truck beds are now.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Remember when Tusk teased about Ram's "puny" load rating? LMAO
The springs are sagging with a quad in the back!! LOL
This thing has gap! ^^^^^^
NJRVer wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Well would you look at the "GAP!"
I've seen gap before, but nothing like this! What a HD truck!
Remember when Tusk teased about Ram's "puny" load rating? LMAO
The springs are sagging with a quad in the back!! LOL
BTW, that quad is a Yamaha 700 all frauded out by Tusk! LMAO
This thing has gap! ^^^^^^
I think that is the air suspension that lowers for easy loading/unloading. Not a bad idea considering how high even conventional truck beds are now.
Absolutely useful too! I nearly had an accident driving my daughter-in-law's ATV up the ramp into his Chevy.
But what I love is that it can be lowered or raised for off-roads similar to high-end Range Rover.
I believe a design like the Atlis or Rivian will appeal to a larger segment of current truck owners.
https://www.atlismotorvehicles.com/xt-truck
https://rivian.com/r1t/
If you are looking for more squared off look and utility, this one looks interesting:
https://bollingermotors.com/
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time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Remember when Tusk teased about Ram's "puny" load rating? LMAO
The springs are sagging with a quad in the back!! LOL
This thing has gap! ^^^^^^
Yes Elon was vary proud of the air suspension feature where the rear will drop for loading, adjust height lower for highway economy, raise for additional off road clearance, level the vehicle based on payload, and provide enough compressed air to to run various air tools.
Ya, it will out handle a porsche too! LOL
This thing should be launched into space, oh wait!
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Bedlam wrote:
It looks like a cross of the original Honda Ridgeline and DeLorean from the side but the front and rear have an unfinished look to me. I do not feel Tesla did market analysis of current truck owners' needs or wants in designing this vehicle. It will appeal to some people in the cross over crowd and definitely to the people that seek attention through their purchases.
I believe a design like the Atlis or Rivian will appeal to a larger segment of current truck owners.
https://www.atlismotorvehicles.com/xt-truck
https://rivian.com/r1t/
If you are looking for more squared off look and utility, this one looks interesting:
https://bollingermotors.com/
This vehicle is clearly not marketed to truck buyers. My guess is he is trying to make a new category with lower competition. There is no way that vehicle is pulling sales out of the truck buyer market. It has virtually zero utility for truck users but may do well with the mall queen segment and soccer dads.
mich800 wrote:
It has virtually zero utility for truck users but may do well with the mall queen segment and soccer dads.
fj12ryder wrote:
thomasmnile wrote:
Wall Street isn't loving it. Guess they thought Tesla was going to unveil a 'real' truck that will compete in the marketplace. Darned capitalists! But, you have to wonder if this is just another Musk PT Barnum moment......and the actual product he brings to market comes later.
Well, it will be at least a couple years before it gets to market, if the semi "production" is any evidence, so the looks could change dramatically. Maybe even to something useful, although that seems unlikely since it wouldn't be "dramatic" and "ground breaking" enough.
Apparently it is a drivable prototype as test-driven by CNBC auto analyst.
I wish that Ford, GM, etc. will be on the same level of development/launch for us prospective buyers to make a side-by-side comparisons on looks, capabilities and features for our final buying decision. Looks like Elon beat everyone again on the first-to-market race.
Maybe in 2021.
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time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Remember when Tusk teased about Ram's "puny" load rating? LMAO
The springs are sagging with a quad in the back!! LOL
This thing has gap! ^^^^^^
Yes Elon was vary proud of the air suspension feature where the rear will drop for loading, adjust height lower for highway economy, raise for additional off road clearance, level the vehicle based on payload, and provide enough compressed air to to run various air tools.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Ya, it will out handle a porsche too! LOL
Your fake news is off the Richter today.
FishOnOne wrote:
I could design the exterior of a truck in about 5 minutes and have something look better
I bet you like this:
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8.1 Van wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
I could design the exterior of a truck in about 5 minutes and have something look better
I bet you like this:
Now your talking...
time2roll wrote:
mich800 wrote:
It has virtually zero utility for truck users but may do well with the mall queen segment and soccer dads.
With a slant toward preppers readying for the zombie apocalypse.
Preppers will not buy a vehicle that has to be plugged in to infrastructure. They will be looking a vehicle that can powered by multiple sources and serviced in the field.
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Ya, it will out handle a porsche too! LOL
Where did you get that? Elon said out accelerate and showed a video paired with a 911.
Your fake news is off the Richter today.
Was given a head-start too!
And in case it was also missed, pulled an opposing F150 with screaming tires like it's nothing.
Bedlam wrote:
time2roll wrote:
mich800 wrote:
It has virtually zero utility for truck users but may do well with the mall queen segment and soccer dads.
With a slant toward preppers readying for the zombie apocalypse.
Preppers will not buy a vehicle that has to be plugged in to infrastructure. They will be looking a vehicle that can powered by multiple sources and serviced in the field.
Where are your camps so I sell you solar panels?
The only thing I would tow would be a small utility trailer.
I'm not really convinced it will go into production.
Bedlam wrote:
Tug of war competitions are about keeping traction. This is usually about tires used and driver skill rather than the rest of vehicle.
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Elon Musk is the greatest car salesman who has ever lived, and Cybertruck is a flamboyant effort to create a Tesla "halo" vehicle that resets the company's story and helps it to escape from its current design rut.
As a pickup, the Cybertruck actually has staggeringly impressive specs.
Rather than carping about how weird the Cybertruck looks, we should appreciate Tesla's bold attempt to enliven electric-car design, which has gotten desperately dull.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-cybertruck-is-a-halo-vehicle-that-resets-teslas-story-2019-11
If you don't know what Halo is then it is not for you.
Bedlam wrote:
Tug of war competitions are about keeping traction. This is usually about tires used and driver skill rather than the rest of vehicle.
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8.1 Van wrote:
Quote:
Elon Musk is the greatest car salesman who has ever lived, and Cybertruck is a flamboyant effort to create a Tesla "halo" vehicle that resets the company's story and helps it to escape from its current design rut.
As a pickup, the Cybertruck actually has staggeringly impressive specs.
Rather than carping about how weird the Cybertruck looks, we should appreciate Tesla's bold attempt to enliven electric-car design, which has gotten desperately dull.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-cybertruck-is-a-halo-vehicle-that-resets-teslas-story-2019-11
If you don't know what Halo is then it is not for you.
What are these "As a pickup, the Cybertruck actually has staggeringly impressive specs."
As a Pickup I am curious what these specs are? As already stated, there are very limited things this vehicle can do as a pickup.
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Bedlam wrote:
Tug of war competitions are about keeping traction. This is usually about tires used and driver skill rather than the rest of vehicle.
Weight is also a critical component. The 4X2 Ford has little weight over the rear wheels. I am sure with the battery pack in the Tesla, it is weighted down significantly, which is likely why it sags so bad with 1000 pounds of ATV in the back. Sam your $100 deposit would do better in the stockmarket, than sitting at Tesla for the next 5 years.
ksss wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
Tug of war competitions are about keeping traction. This is usually about tires used and driver skill rather than the rest of vehicle.
Weight is also a critical component. The 4X2 Ford has little weight over the rear wheels. I am sure with the battery pack in the Tesla, it is weighted down significantly, which is likely why it sags so bad with 1000 pounds of ATV in the back. Sam your $100 deposit would do better in the stockmarket, than sitting at Tesla for the next 5 years.
I don't think you can invest $100 in the stock market without being laugh at.
Second, I'm already in Tesla stocks and made some good money off it and putting my money where my mouth (investment) is.
Presumably, you are not good in math, 2019 to 2021 is not 5 years.
Further, if I don't like it or grow to love it, I'll buy the Ford equivalent and I'll have an opportunity loss of 3 cents.
Actually, I already like it's capabilities and specs. Waiting for Motor Trend to do an independent evaluation.
ksss wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
Tug of war competitions are about keeping traction. This is usually about tires used and driver skill rather than the rest of vehicle.
Weight is also a critical component. The 4X2 Ford has little weight over the rear wheels. I am sure with the battery pack in the Tesla, it is weighted down significantly, which is likely why it sags so bad with 1000 pounds of ATV in the back. Sam your $100 deposit would do better in the stockmarket, than sitting at Tesla for the next 5 years.
Nope. Watch the video again. The auto level suspension has an autoload setting. The front raises and the rear drops. After the quad is loaded on the built in tailgate ramp the front drops back down and the rear raises. The upscale model has a 3500 lb payload.
As of noon today there were 108000 pre-orders. I suspect most boomers will hate this truck. After all, it doesn't stink. it doesn't make vroom vroom noises.... and it actually has guts.
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Check out the specs for the lockable storage.
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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
@time2roll - Thanks for showing the picture -- do you agree with me that it's ugly?
Yes not just ugly but fugly!
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Reisender wrote:
Nope. Watch the video again. The auto level suspension has an autoload setting. The front raises and the rear drops. After the quad is loaded on the built in tailgate ramp the front drops back down and the rear raises. The upscale model has a 3500 lb payload.
As of noon today there were 108000 pre-orders. I suspect most boomers will hate this truck. After all, it doesn't stink. it doesn't make vroom vroom noises.... and it actually has guts.
Agree, looks like cybertruck created a generational divide.
And I just crossed over to join the millennials. Looks like boomers who previously or currently owned a Tesla have joined them too and ordering in droves (been to Tesla forum).
Ah yeah, it kind of grow on you. I first found it ugly, now at some angle not too bad.
Some say and I quite agree that we initially thought that stealth bombers were ugly -- and now are converts -- and this looks like one.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ksss wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
Tug of war competitions are about keeping traction. This is usually about tires used and driver skill rather than the rest of vehicle.
Weight is also a critical component. The 4X2 Ford has little weight over the rear wheels. I am sure with the battery pack in the Tesla, it is weighted down significantly, which is likely why it sags so bad with 1000 pounds of ATV in the back. Sam your $100 deposit would do better in the stockmarket, than sitting at Tesla for the next 5 years.
I don't think you can invest $100 in the stock market without being laugh at.
Second, I'm already in Tesla stocks and made some good money off it and putting my money where my mouth (investment) is.
Presumably, you are not good in math, 2019 to 2021 is not 5 years.
Further, if I don't like it or grow to love it, I'll buy the Ford equivalent and I'll have an opportunity loss of 3 cents.
Actually, I already like it's capabilities and specs. Waiting for Motor Trend to do an independent evaluation.
LOL! The $100 was a joke. I was being facetious. Making the point your money will sit for a very long time. I am actually really good at math, you would presume wrong. Tesla hasn't hit a target date yet, so them saying 2021 I say it will much longer than that. Honestly I would be surprised if they make it that long. I think they have a much greater likelihood of being bought out.
Bedlam wrote:
It looks like a cross of the original Honda Ridgeline and DeLorean from the side but the front and rear have an unfinished look to me. I do not feel Tesla did market analysis of current truck owners' needs or wants in designing this vehicle. It will appeal to some people in the cross over crowd and definitely to the people that seek attention through their purchases.
I believe a design like the Atlis or Rivian will appeal to a larger segment of current truck owners.
https://www.atlismotorvehicles.com/xt-truck
https://rivian.com/r1t/
If you are looking for more squared off look and utility, this one looks interesting:
https://bollingermotors.com/
Fyi
Atlis truck doe NOT exist,its a SCAM devised to rip off gulible investors.Lack of people in their pictures proves it,
Bolinger cost 130Gs and has no charging network
Neither does Rivian btw
Tesla truck goes 500 miles on charge
Does quarter mile in 10 seconds
Has stainless steel body= no rust ever
Even tho the box is only 6.5 feet long I think some kind of slide out drawer extension could be easily instaled making it bigger
Look weird but its aerodynamicaly light years ahead of any other regular square front truck.
Id take it even it wasnt electric,would probably get 50 mpg w that shape
ksss wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ksss wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
Tug of war competitions are about keeping traction. This is usually about tires used and driver skill rather than the rest of vehicle.
Weight is also a critical component. The 4X2 Ford has little weight over the rear wheels. I am sure with the battery pack in the Tesla, it is weighted down significantly, which is likely why it sags so bad with 1000 pounds of ATV in the back. Sam your $100 deposit would do better in the stockmarket, than sitting at Tesla for the next 5 years.
I don't think you can invest $100 in the stock market without being laugh at.
Second, I'm already in Tesla stocks and made some good money off it and putting my money where my mouth (investment) is.
Presumably, you are not good in math, 2019 to 2021 is not 5 years.
Further, if I don't like it or grow to love it, I'll buy the Ford equivalent and I'll have an opportunity loss of 3 cents.
Actually, I already like it's capabilities and specs. Waiting for Motor Trend to do an independent evaluation.
LOL! The $100 was a joke. I was being facetious. Making the point your money will sit for a very long time. I am actually really good at math, you would presume wrong. Tesla hasn't hit a target date yet, so them saying 2021 I say it will much longer than that. Honestly I would be surprised if they make it that long. I think they have a much greater likelihood of being bought out.
Being bought out
HAHAHAHAHA
Tesla stock is worth more then big 3 combined and going much higher in future.
free radical wrote:
ksss wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ksss wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
Tug of war competitions are about keeping traction. This is usually about tires used and driver skill rather than the rest of vehicle.
Weight is also a critical component. The 4X2 Ford has little weight over the rear wheels. I am sure with the battery pack in the Tesla, it is weighted down significantly, which is likely why it sags so bad with 1000 pounds of ATV in the back. Sam your $100 deposit would do better in the stockmarket, than sitting at Tesla for the next 5 years.
I don't think you can invest $100 in the stock market without being laugh at.
Second, I'm already in Tesla stocks and made some good money off it and putting my money where my mouth (investment) is.
Presumably, you are not good in math, 2019 to 2021 is not 5 years.
Further, if I don't like it or grow to love it, I'll buy the Ford equivalent and I'll have an opportunity loss of 3 cents.
Actually, I already like it's capabilities and specs. Waiting for Motor Trend to do an independent evaluation.
LOL! The $100 was a joke. I was being facetious. Making the point your money will sit for a very long time. I am actually really good at math, you would presume wrong. Tesla hasn't hit a target date yet, so them saying 2021 I say it will much longer than that. Honestly I would be surprised if they make it that long. I think they have a much greater likelihood of being bought out.
Being bought out
HAHAHAHAHA
Tesla stock is worth more then big 3 combined and going much higher in future.
@ksss -- don't leave your day job and keep that last $100 you have.
No future for you in teaching math, investment, stock trading and carni crystal ball reading.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
free radical wrote:
ksss wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ksss wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
Tug of war competitions are about keeping traction. This is usually about tires used and driver skill rather than the rest of vehicle.
Weight is also a critical component. The 4X2 Ford has little weight over the rear wheels. I am sure with the battery pack in the Tesla, it is weighted down significantly, which is likely why it sags so bad with 1000 pounds of ATV in the back. Sam your $100 deposit would do better in the stockmarket, than sitting at Tesla for the next 5 years.
I don't think you can invest $100 in the stock market without being laugh at.
Second, I'm already in Tesla stocks and made some good money off it and putting my money where my mouth (investment) is.
Presumably, you are not good in math, 2019 to 2021 is not 5 years.
Further, if I don't like it or grow to love it, I'll buy the Ford equivalent and I'll have an opportunity loss of 3 cents.
Actually, I already like it's capabilities and specs. Waiting for Motor Trend to do an independent evaluation.
LOL! The $100 was a joke. I was being facetious. Making the point your money will sit for a very long time. I am actually really good at math, you would presume wrong. Tesla hasn't hit a target date yet, so them saying 2021 I say it will much longer than that. Honestly I would be surprised if they make it that long. I think they have a much greater likelihood of being bought out.
Being bought out
HAHAHAHAHA
Tesla stock is worth more then big 3 combined and going much higher in future.
@ksss -- don't leave your day job and keep that last $100 you have.
No future for you in teaching math, investment, stock trading and carni crystal ball reading.
I got math, and investment, crystal ball...well see but the Ponzi scheme that is Tesla will reveal itself. My suggestion to you is, don't sell your Prius in anticipation of your Tesla pickup in advance, you could be walking for a while.
free radical wrote:
Bolinger cost 130Gs and has no charging network
Neither does Rivian btw
As always primary charging is probably at home.
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colliehauler wrote:
Is that a formica countertop Dash with a laptop mounted to it? I'm sure the designer of the Pontiac Aztec thought it was a good looking vehicle as well. You know what they say (beauty is in the eye of the beholder).
Dumb
Does anyone know how the panels are fastened together ?
Images so far indicates a monocoque and to stiffen those flat panels enough, would have the cross members likewise thicker is m th guess
https://jalopnik.com/a-deep-look-at-the-design-of-tesla-s-cybertruck-1839993654
wildtoad wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
@time2roll - Thanks for showing the picture -- do you agree with me that it's ugly?
Yes not just ugly but fugly!
Maybe you would like the minnie mouse pickup better.
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https://www.wired.com/story/why-tesla-cybertruck-looks-weird/
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Grit dog wrote:
Yosemite sam, you were serious with your first post, or still baiting the peanut gallery?
I am as I was actually in shock the first time I saw it and did watch the whole unveil.
Flunk in my hard-earned $100 in fact despite my apprehensions.
Then went to official Tesla forum to feel the pulse if Elon is hinting a redesign.
And so, in desperation, I put in to Musk my recommendations and preferred customization:
1. Front hood similar to 'ol military humvee and the all steel bumper.
2. Roof like that of Tesla Roadster.
3. Falcon wing doors like Tesla X.
4. Provisions to mount a 50 cal machine gun at the back.
I'm waiting for the confirmation to put in my downpayment.
Interesting read.
Sounded like the split views on the Tesla forum divided between those who abhor the looks but admire the specs and those who see it a way cool futuristic.
As to the materials and engineering, if they are using Space X steel, it will indeed be difficult to put the curves on it like the typical cars hence the angular design. Besides, it needs to be a stealth and invisible to radar right?
ksss wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
free radical wrote:
Tesla stock is worth more then big 3 combined and going much higher in future.
@ksss -- don't leave your day job and keep that last $100 you have.
No future for you in teaching math, investment, stock trading and carni crystal ball reading.
I got math, and investment, crystal ball...well see but the Ponzi scheme that is Tesla will reveal itself. My suggestion to you is, don't sell your Prius in anticipation of your Tesla pickup in advance, you could be walking for a while.
If the Ponzi scheme collapse I'll be ahead of everyone else being on top of the pyramid.
In fact, I'll buying it in cash from my ill-gotten wealth off Tesla stocks.
And it's not a Prius, it's Tesla X.
My funds and 401K lost too much on his ponzi scheme
You could be #1 at the top of a ponzi and lose everything...the only winners are those who pull out with a positive or even, before the collapse
Telling...
I hadn't heard about 3mm SS body panels. 3mm is nearly an eighth of an inch. The body alone would be horrendously heavy. I hope those panels are load bearing.
Durb wrote:
I hadn't heard about 3mm SS body panels. 3mm is nearly an eighth of an inch. The body alone would be horrendously heavy. I hope those panels are load bearing.
That was my first thought. And then I recall Elon saying this is the same Space X materials Tesla is using. And in spacecraft, having lightweight materials is a must.
Reisender wrote:
I always find it amusing when people compare Tesla to a Ponzi scheme. LOL.
Same people who thinks stock market is a Ponzi scheme and therefore miss out.
On the Starship they're trading the weight for heat resistance on reentry. It's probably a wash when you back out the weight of a thermal treatment for a different metal.
Somebody asked about the dash and it's actually molded paper.
Quote:
Tesla already received 146,000 Cybertruck pre-orders worth over $8 billion
https://electrek.co/2019/11/23/tesla-cybertruck-pre-orders/
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8.1 Van wrote:
Quote:
Tesla already received 146,000 Cybertruck pre-orders worth over $8 billion
https://electrek.co/2019/11/23/tesla-cybertruck-pre-orders/
My kids are teasing me to sell my low-number high priority place in the waiting list.
I ordered in the first hour of the reveal.
stsmark wrote:
306 Cold Rolled Stainless sheet in 11ga. (.120) thickness, which is the thickness they are using within .002. Weighs 5.050 lb per square foot.
On the Starship they're trading the weight for heat resistance on reentry. It's probably a wash when you back out the weight of a thermal treatment for a different metal.
Somebody asked about the dash and it's actually molded paper.
Musk called it exoskeleton. I suspect it is also engineered to hold the structural integrity of the car.
Quote:
Tesla's Chief Designer Franz von Holzhausen has a wicked pitch. Here is a slow-motion video of the Tesla team tempting fate, hurling a steel ball towards the Tesla Cybertruck right before they were set to debut it to the world.
video
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8.1 Van wrote:
Quote:
Tesla's Chief Designer Franz von Holzhausen has a wicked pitch. Here is a slow-motion video of the Tesla team tempting fate, hurling a steel ball towards the Tesla Cybertruck right before they were set to debut it to the world.
video
Hmmm... if it was the same vehicle used later in the public reveal, I wonder if the window had been weakened by the "test"?
But I doubt it. Elon looks genuinely embarrassed and even cut short the event.
BenK wrote:
Wonder if Tusk was planning on proving one of his Cybertruck claims...that it would stop a 9mm bullet...
Tesla has camera shots of 3 bullet marks on the panel.
Obviously they won't be able to do on that stage live.
But I bet somebody will test it and post it in Youtube.
Reisender wrote:
I always find it amusing when people compare Tesla to a Ponzi scheme. LOL.
I know. Mr. Ponzi was downright honest by comparison.
BenK wrote:
Wonder if Tusk was planning on proving one of his Cybertruck claims...that it would stop a 9mm bullet...
I'd be more concerned about being trapped in the event of fire or water if the doors got jammed closed in an accident.
All I could afford wrote:
It would make the old days of shooting out the gas tank look positively boring
Of course without the magic of film shooting a gas tank is normally boring...
JRscooby wrote:
All I could afford wrote:
It would make the old days of shooting out the gas tank look positively boring
Of course without the magic of film shooting a gas tank is normally boring...
I can't watch action films anymore. 9 out of 10 times the vehicle blows up a second before it hits something.
Since I mostly use my truck for business within 50 miles of home I could charge a Tesla at home every night and rarely have to bother with gas stations. The all wheel drive of the Tesla would probably be better suited for my use than 4wd. The AC power supply circuits might be useful too.
Still, it is two years away so we will just have to see how things go between now and then.
Still it has not grown on me yet -- except for some angle where it actually looks like the previously ugly stealth bomber.
But I've already flunked my hard -earned $100 so what the heck!
Worst case, it won't to bad if I can sell the low number-high priority reservations made in the first hour of Elon's reveal.
philh wrote:
Bulletproof doesn't mean the glass doesn't have an issue, it means it won't penetrate. I didn't see the ball penetrate.
Considering that side glass is now safety glass that is what I would expect. Bullets, that is different.
philh wrote:
Bulletproof doesn't mean the glass doesn't have an issue, it means it won't penetrate. I didn't see the ball penetrate.
Tesla's Chief Designer Franz von Holzhausen testing Cybertruck window
I Bought The New Tesla Cybertruck!
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Retired old men love pickup trucks but their kids don't.
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philh wrote:
Bulletproof doesn't mean the glass doesn't have an issue, it means it won't penetrate. I didn't see the ball penetrate.
Besides, Tesla did not claim glass is bullet proof. Even the claim on the panel is that it will (only) stop a 9mm bullet.
An F150 owner who obviously will be buying a cybertruck said his truck's windshield was shattered by a pebble.
I believe this completely falls under the heading of picking at nits.
fj12ryder wrote:
I mean, seriously, who cares?
I believe this completely falls under the heading of picking at nits.
And better than anything out there.
But I do not see a cabover camper, or a work rack going on one. Or even a 5th wheel.
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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
I mean, seriously, who cares?
I believe this completely falls under the heading of picking at nits.
And better than anything out there.
But seriously, arguing over whether the side panels can stop a 9 mm?
p220sigman wrote:
I agree on the crossover pickup. Don't get me wrong, I think it is UGLY, but I also don't think it is targeted at the market of truck buyers who are planning to put a truck camper or work rack on it or tow a 5th wheel. I've seen stats (I have no idea how accurate they are) that indicate 75% of truck owners tow less than one time a year. I'm pretty sure this is the market TESLA is going for. Well, the portion of this market that is under 25 anyway. Quick completely unscientific poll of my kids (16 and 19) and a few of their friends revealed all thought it was awesome and would buy one if they could afford it.
What is a crossover pickup? A pickup with no pickup features? I think more of a jumped the shark model not a crossover.
If it was, it would have broken into small pieces
Think it had an inner layer of plastic, like the windshield
Ask if anyone knows if DOT allows plastic laminate side glass.
Otherwise, emergency folks won't be able to break the glass to rescue folks
Plus, will the jaws of life be able to QUICKLY get people out of a burning cybertruck ?
PS...IMHO...exoskeleton is just another word for monocoque...or unibody
BenK wrote:
That wasn't tempered safety glass.
If it was, it would have broken into small pieces
Think it had an inner layer of plastic, like the windshield
Ask if anyone knows if DOT allows plastic laminate side glass.
Otherwise, emergency folks won't be able to break the glass to rescue folks
Plus, will the jaws of life be able to QUICKLY get people out of a burning cybertruck ?
PS...IMHO...exoskeleton is just another word for monocoque...or unibody
They are the same as windshields. I believe it is a new requirement. If not is is just on a lot of new vehicles. However, this was on the fixed side glass not sure about moving glass.
mich800 wrote:
What is a crossover pickup? A pickup with no pickup features?
Back over 45-60 years ago Ford and Chevy sold quite a few cars with a pickup bed in place of the back seat and trunk area. And often the volume of the bed was larger than the same year pickup. Floor of bed closer to ground, so less lifting to load. Often better than a pickup for relocating your home.
Before WWII the where some models called businessman's delivery coupe. A near pickup bed sized box would slide out of the trunk.
For a while, among working people, if the people area was bigger than the cargo area, it ain't a truck.
I had 2 El Caminos, both of them would haul....................a$$
JRscooby wrote:
mich800 wrote:
What is a crossover pickup? A pickup with no pickup features?
Back over 45-60 years ago Ford and Chevy sold quite a few cars with a pickup bed in place of the back seat and trunk area. And often the volume of the bed was larger than the same year pickup. Floor of bed closer to ground, so less lifting to load. Often better than a pickup for relocating your home.
Before WWII the where some models called businessman's delivery coupe. A near pickup bed sized box would slide out of the trunk.
For a while, among working people, if the people area was bigger than the cargo area, it ain't a truck.
I had 2 El Caminos, both of them would haul....................a$$
I agree. I am just disappointed Elon touted this as a bad %$# truck to replace the F150/Ram. But offers nothing a truck buyer is looking for. At least the El Camino and Ranchero offered something the Pick-ups didn't or unique.
Poor Ford, they invested in Rivian and think this is what will compete with Tesla.
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8.1 Van wrote:
Lets cut to the chase here, the Tesla Cybertruck is not for someone who buys a gas or diesel Ford, Chevy, Dodge or GMC pickup every few years , it's for people that want a large Tesla for up to 6 passengers , up to 500 mile range , 3500 lb payload and up to 14,000 lb tow rating.
Poor Ford, they invested in Rivian and think this is what will compete with Tesla.
LMAO!
The more I looked at that Rivian SUV, the more it kept reminding me of that Wendy's commercial from the 1980's.
The one where the frumpy old lady from the communist block country is walking the catwalk for a communist country's version of a "fashion show".
First she comes down the walk moving her flashlight side to side and the announcers says something like "Sportsware"..
Then she comes down again wearing the same outfit and shining the same flashlight...."EEEEveniiiinngggware"
LOL!
But my next truck will be Tesla
So many advantages it beats ice in every way
That rust and dent resistant stainless steel body is worth it alone.
Btw the reason for this wedge design is AERODYNAMICS aka less air resistance
Youd never get 500 mile range with regular square looking ev pickup.
Unconventional yes,so what main reason is it works.
And Tesla Supercharger network makes it most practical ev out there.
Over 200.000 orders now proves its a success.
Id think In couple weeks it will be milion ![[emoticon]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/blogger_img_proxy/AEn0k_sMDNX4aSVfIllXPvIlsMuUT0ujwVWIaWsrRfmzqku4g9jiKGQJtcf9YYgooV7WNIYJAxo7YdujiF2gfuDf1DCQrWhPdtAkrPkHTL5BcZDeoCLGbACyuQ=s0-d "grin")
mich800 wrote:
JRscooby wrote:
mich800 wrote:
What is a crossover pickup? A pickup with no pickup features?
Back over 45-60 years ago Ford and Chevy sold quite a few cars with a pickup bed in place of the back seat and trunk area. And often the volume of the bed was larger than the same year pickup. Floor of bed closer to ground, so less lifting to load. Often better than a pickup for relocating your home.
Before WWII the where some models called businessman's delivery coupe. A near pickup bed sized box would slide out of the trunk.
For a while, among working people, if the people area was bigger than the cargo area, it ain't a truck.
I had 2 El Caminos, both of them would haul....................a$$
I agree. I am just disappointed Elon touted this as a bad %$# truck to replace the F150/Ram. But offers nothing a truck buyer is looking for. At least the El Camino and Ranchero offered something the Pick-ups didn't or unique.
GM had something similar to El Camino in that Aus Holden UTE while back which was very popular there,
but their big ego or stupidity made them kill it
https://youtu.be/vmpCWEAapQY
Durb wrote:
They aren't orders, they are reservations. Some people are making up to 10 thinking they will be able to flip them. The Model S was a success in part because it is a stunning looking vehicle with classic proportions. The truck, not so much.
Your denial of Tesla success is obvious not that I give a s***
Some old timers just cant comprehend progress and what youngsters dig.
Big fail for legacy automakers
The awesome specs for Tesla truck obviously helps
Btw anyone thinking of FLIPin Tesla expecting to sell for more is nutz.
It may work for houses or Exotic cars but not for Tesla.
Reservations are same as Orders ffs you still have to PAY for them before taking posesion.
And every car DEpreciates soon as you buy it,well Tesla not so much actualy,go look up second hand one in good condition.
FishOnOne wrote:
I could design the exterior of a truck in about 5 minutes and have something look better
Well why dont you?
GM and Ford could use your help,call them up
p220sigman wrote:
I agree on the crossover pickup. Don't get me wrong, I think it is UGLY, but I also don't think it is targeted at the market of truck buyers who are planning to put a truck camper or work rack on it or tow a 5th wheel. I've seen stats (I have no idea how accurate they are) that indicate 75% of truck owners tow less than one time a year. I'm pretty sure this is the market TESLA is going for. Well, the portion of this market that is under 25 anyway. Quick completely unscientific poll of my kids (16 and 19) and a few of their friends revealed all thought it was awesome and would buy one if they could afford it.
Toyota still has a negligible market share because they thought they knew better what would sell.
Only in recent years have they made any inroads as they moved towards what the Big3 sell...problem now is most buyers see toyota and think "toy" truck.
JRscooby wrote:
mich800 wrote:
What is a crossover pickup? A pickup with no pickup features?
Back over 45-60 years ago Ford and Chevy sold quite a few cars with a pickup bed in place of the back seat and trunk area. And often the volume of the bed was larger than the same year pickup. Floor of bed closer to ground, so less lifting to load. Often better than a pickup for relocating your home.
Before WWII the where some models called businessman's delivery coupe. A near pickup bed sized box would slide out of the trunk.
For a while, among working people, if the people area was bigger than the cargo area, it ain't a truck.
I had 2 El Caminos, both of them would haul....................a$$
So it's a Suburu Brat...Actually in other countries they still sell similar models but if this is the case, he's not marketing to his target audience.
valhalla360 wrote:
Toyota still has a negligible market share because they thought they knew better what would sell.
Only in recent years have they made any inroads as they moved towards what the Big3 sell...problem now is most buyers see toyota and think "toy" truck.
I agree. I think Toyota and Nissan both wildly underestimated the impact of brand loyalty in the domestic pick-up market. I don't see it being any different for Tesla. What I think will be different is that I don't think Tesla's target audience is current Chevy/GMC/Ford/Ram owners. They are looking to grab the younger market who likely have never owned a pickup, but like the idea and the idea of an EV. I've talked with a number of young people 25 and under and with the exception of 2 now, all have said they love the design and would buy one today if they could afford it.
Will I buy one? I won't say never. I hated the look of the Dodge trucks when they changed in 1994 (I think), but then owned one a few years later. I will just say that I'm not currently considering one.
mich800 wrote:
I agree. I am just disappointed Elon touted this as a bad %$# truck to replace the F150/Ram. But offers nothing a truck buyer is looking for. At least the El Camino and Ranchero offered something the Pick-ups didn't or unique.
Yes, the El Camino and Ranchero where not marketed to people that needed or even wanted a truck.
valhalla360 wrote:
So it's a Suburu Brat...Actually in other countries they still sell similar models but if this is the case, he's not marketing to his target audience.
Are we right sure about not marketing to his target? The improved creature comforts of the half tons, plus pollution controls on the car based vehicles, (pollution controls also caused the growth of the truck based cars) cut the sales of the early crossovers. But a very large percentage of the class 1 pickups, never haul or tow anything. The Tesla likely fit right in.
Where the Tesla, and some of the diesel, buyers might have issues is a lot of pickup are bought by 3rd owners that have intention of working the truck hard. House painters that don't worry about spilled paint. Junkers, that gather recyclables, and a dent don't matter. For those people, need a big bed, and can't gamble much on a emission system that could change your truck into a recyclable at any time.
BenK wrote:
That wasn't tempered safety glass.
If it was, it would have broken into small pieces
Think it had an inner layer of plastic, like the windshield
Ask if anyone knows if DOT allows plastic laminate side glass.
Otherwise, emergency folks won't be able to break the glass to rescue folks
Plus, will the jaws of life be able to QUICKLY get people out of a burning cybertruck ?
PS...IMHO...exoskeleton is just another word for monocoque...or unibody
Laminated side safety glass is common nowadays. We use a fancy handsaw to cut it, and it cuts pretty fast.
Any time we have to use hydraulic extrication tools to extricate someone, it doesn't go real fast, despite what is shown on TV. The best way to save a person trapped in a burning car is to put the fire out, which on an EV is a huge challenge. I'm sure there will be some differences in how this vehicle needs to be addressed for vehicle extrication. I'd love for Tesla to drop one off to practice on!
free radical wrote:
Durb wrote:
They aren't orders, they are reservations. Some people are making up to 10 thinking they will be able to flip them. The Model S was a success in part because it is a stunning looking vehicle with classic proportions. The truck, not so much.
Your denial of Tesla success is obvious not that I give a s***
Some old timers just cant comprehend progress and what youngsters dig.
Big fail for legacy automakers
The awesome specs for Tesla truck obviously helps
Btw anyone thinking of FLIPin Tesla expecting to sell for more is nutz.
It may work for houses or Exotic cars but not for Tesla.
Reservations are same as Orders ffs you still have to PAY for them before taking posesion.
And every car DEpreciates soon as you buy it,well Tesla not so much actualy,go look up second hand one in good condition.
They are not the same as orders. Even the fans have admitted otherwise. And as far as success with respect to the truck. That will be completely unknown for several years. I would place the same weight of success in the truck Vis-a-vis reservations to that of someone that clicked interested in a Facebook event, which is nothing. I will wait until there is something in production that is not a concept vehicle.
free radical wrote:
Durb wrote:
They aren't orders, they are reservations. Some people are making up to 10 thinking they will be able to flip them. The Model S was a success in part because it is a stunning looking vehicle with classic proportions. The truck, not so much.
Your denial of Tesla success is obvious not that I give a s***
Some old timers just cant comprehend progress and what youngsters dig.
Big fail for legacy automakers
The awesome specs for Tesla truck obviously helps
Btw anyone thinking of FLIPin Tesla expecting to sell for more is nutz.
It may work for houses or Exotic cars but not for Tesla.
Reservations are same as Orders ffs you still have to PAY for them before taking posesion.
And every car DEpreciates soon as you buy it,well Tesla not so much actualy,go look up second hand one in good condition.
You might take a look at what I wrote. People are betting on flipping their reservation, not the vehicle. A reservation is a spot in line. Some are betting others will pay a premium to move closer to the front of the line. Maybe scalping their reservations would have been better said.
-- Chris Bryant
mich800 wrote:
free radical wrote:
Durb wrote:
They aren't orders, they are reservations. Some people are making up to 10 thinking they will be able to flip them. The Model S was a success in part because it is a stunning looking vehicle with classic proportions. The truck, not so much.
Your denial of Tesla success is obvious not that I give a s***
Some old timers just cant comprehend progress and what youngsters dig.
Big fail for legacy automakers
The awesome specs for Tesla truck obviously helps
Btw anyone thinking of FLIPin Tesla expecting to sell for more is nutz.
It may work for houses or Exotic cars but not for Tesla.
Reservations are same as Orders ffs you still have to PAY for them before taking posesion.
And every car DEpreciates soon as you buy it,well Tesla not so much actualy,go look up second hand one in good condition.
They are not the same as orders. Even the fans have admitted otherwise. And as far as success with respect to the truck. That will be completely unknown for several years. I would place the same weight of success in the truck Vis-a-vis reservations to that of someone that clicked interested in a Facebook event, which is nothing. I will wait until there is something in production that is not a concept vehicle.
Has any data been published on how many Model 3 reservations were converted to sales verses backing out? That may be a sign of actual truck demand...
Bedlam wrote:
mich800 wrote:
free radical wrote:
Durb wrote:
They aren't orders, they are reservations. Some people are making up to 10 thinking they will be able to flip them. The Model S was a success in part because it is a stunning looking vehicle with classic proportions. The truck, not so much.
Your denial of Tesla success is obvious not that I give a s***
Some old timers just cant comprehend progress and what youngsters dig.
Big fail for legacy automakers
The awesome specs for Tesla truck obviously helps
Btw anyone thinking of FLIPin Tesla expecting to sell for more is nutz.
It may work for houses or Exotic cars but not for Tesla.
Reservations are same as Orders ffs you still have to PAY for them before taking posesion.
And every car DEpreciates soon as you buy it,well Tesla not so much actualy,go look up second hand one in good condition.
They are not the same as orders. Even the fans have admitted otherwise. And as far as success with respect to the truck. That will be completely unknown for several years. I would place the same weight of success in the truck Vis-a-vis reservations to that of someone that clicked interested in a Facebook event, which is nothing. I will wait until there is something in production that is not a concept vehicle.
Has any data been published on how many Model 3 reservations were converted to sales verses backing out? That may be a sign of actual truck demand...
They keep that data pretty tight to the vest. The only real analysis is generally speculation and big assumptions. The best we can do is wait for the real vehicle to emerge. I still think they need to re-evaluate the truck target market or concentrate on what this vehicle can do because it is not for the typical pickup buyer.
Bedlam wrote:
Has any data been published on how many Model 3 reservations were converted to sales verses backing out? That may be a sign of actual truck demand...
The information is irrelevant.
Better data are consumer demand and their willingness to wait to have their own unit.
Tesla exceeded production goals for Model 3 but waiting list is still 6 months long.
It's longer for European customers and Tesla sells whatever unit they send out there and that even entry-level Tesla is becoming a status symbol against high-end performance cars.
* This post was edited 11/26/19 11:49am by Yosemite Sam1 *
Chris Bryant wrote:
Apologies if this has been said, but a couple of points about the cybertruck- at a base of just under $40k, it will be the cheapest available. The reason for the cheap price? Assembly uses no stamping presses or paint booths- the body is laser cut and folded, the stainless alloy being to hard to stamp..
Agree. Or it could be Tesla's loss-leader for a smooth entry into the truck-pick up segment.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote:
Apologies if this has been said, but a couple of points about the cybertruck- at a base of just under $40k, it will be the cheapest available. The reason for the cheap price? Assembly uses no stamping presses or paint booths- the body is laser cut and folded, the stainless alloy being to hard to stamp..
Agree. Or it could be Tesla's loss-leader for a smooth entry into the truck-pick up segment.
For those who would get limited use out of a truck the Cybertruck has huge functionality. Short of pulling a fifth wheel it literally shames the standard pickup half ton. We are sedan / hatchback people. But the Cybertruck is appealing to us. The wife would love one.
Reisender wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote:
Apologies if this has been said, but a couple of points about the cybertruck- at a base of just under $40k, it will be the cheapest available. The reason for the cheap price? Assembly uses no stamping presses or paint booths- the body is laser cut and folded, the stainless alloy being to hard to stamp..
Agree. Or it could be Tesla's loss-leader for a smooth entry into the truck-pick up segment.
For those who would get limited use out of a truck the Cybertruck has huge functionality. Short of pulling a fifth wheel it literally shames the standard pickup half ton. We are sedan / hatchback people. But the Cybertruck is appealing to us. The wife would love one.
The looks has not grown on me yet. But the functionally is top notch.
All my kids and wife love it. Even my son, who used to work for Tesla and became a hater for Elon Musk's slave driving management style. He was the one who asked me to a pledge of secrecy when he told me that they are reverse engineering an F150 in developing an electric pick up truck.
Hence, my added disappointment with the Cybertruck because I really like the looks of F150.
At 3mm thick, almost 10 gauge or almost "plate", which can also be stamped....AT GREAT tooling cost....something Tusk has in the past not understand hard vs soft tooling
Pure marketing hype...much like "military grade aluminum"...which has soooooooo many think some kind of whizzy-bang exotic metal...which has many household things made of that same military grade aluminum
Reisender wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote:
Apologies if this has been said, but a couple of points about the cybertruck- at a base of just under $40k, it will be the cheapest available. The reason for the cheap price? Assembly uses no stamping presses or paint booths- the body is laser cut and folded, the stainless alloy being to hard to stamp..
Agree. Or it could be Tesla's loss-leader for a smooth entry into the truck-pick up segment.
For those who would get limited use out of a truck the Cybertruck has huge functionality. Short of pulling a fifth wheel it literally shames the standard pickup half ton. We are sedan / hatchback people. But the Cybertruck is appealing to us. The wife would love one.
The only aspect it falls short on IMO is towing range, if real world towing range mirrors that of the Model X. Driving for 90 minutes and then charging for 45 minutes won't appeal to most RVers. But as battery tech and charging infrastructure improve those issues will sort themselves out.
rjstractor wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote:
Apologies if this has been said, but a couple of points about the cybertruck- at a base of just under $40k, it will be the cheapest available. The reason for the cheap price? Assembly uses no stamping presses or paint booths- the body is laser cut and folded, the stainless alloy being to hard to stamp..
Agree. Or it could be Tesla's loss-leader for a smooth entry into the truck-pick up segment.
For those who would get limited use out of a truck the Cybertruck has huge functionality. Short of pulling a fifth wheel it literally shames the standard pickup half ton. We are sedan / hatchback people. But the Cybertruck is appealing to us. The wife would love one.
The only aspect it falls short on IMO is towing range, if real world towing range mirrors that of the Model X. Driving for 90 minutes and then charging for 45 minutes won't appeal to most RVers. But as battery tech and charging infrastructure improve those issues will sort themselves out.
Hard to say. But if it follows the model x range reduction rate of 35 to 50 percent that will still leave a 250 mile or 400 km range. My 2500 GMC could barely go 200 miles or 300 kilometers. Not that we need a truck but it would work work for us.
Reisander wrote:
Hard to say. But if it follows the model x range reduction rate of 35 to 50 percent that will still leave a 250 mile or 400 km range. My 2500 GMC could barely go 200 miles or 300 kilometers. Not that we need a truck but it would work work for us.
If the towing range reduction were in line with gas or diesel TVs (30-50%) the EVs would work great. But real world testing has showed that the Model X range is reduced to less than 1/3 of it's non-towing range. When TFL tested a Model X pulling a 4500 lb horse trailer, they could barely complete a 75 mile trip on a charge. The car consumed up to 3.8 times as much power towing as not towing. I'd expect similar results with the pickup.
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rjstractor wrote:
Reisander wrote:
Hard to say. But if it follows the model x range reduction rate of 35 to 50 percent that will still leave a 250 mile or 400 km range. My 2500 GMC could barely go 200 miles or 300 kilometers. Not that we need a truck but it would work work for us.
If the towing range reduction were in line with gas or diesel TVs (30-50%) the EVs would work great. But real world testing has showed that the Model X range is reduced to less than 1/3 of it's non-towing range. When TFL tested a Model X pulling a 4500 lb horse trailer, they could barely complete a 75 mile trip on a charge. The car consumed up to 3.8 times as much power towing as not towing. I'd expect similar results with the pickup.
Hard to say. But it will be interesting to watch. no one knows what the 500 plus mile range means. We'll have to wait until the first ones make it to the street. 2 years...or more.
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JRscooby wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
So it's a Suburu Brat...Actually in other countries they still sell similar models but if this is the case, he's not marketing to his target audience.
Are we right sure about not marketing to his target?
If he's going after the suburu brat market, why is he going on about 3500lb payload, 100000lb towing, and doing tests against 1/2 ton trucks?
Chris Bryant wrote:
Apologies if this has been said, but a couple of points about the cybertruck- at a base of just under $40k, it will be the cheapest available. The reason for the cheap price? Assembly uses no stamping presses or paint booths- the body is laser cut and folded, the stainless alloy being to hard to stamp..
Cheapest?
1/2 ton trucks start around $28k.
Also, will they ever produce a $40k truck for sale...or will it be bait and switch like the M3.
valhalla360 wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote:
Apologies if this has been said, but a couple of points about the cybertruck- at a base of just under $40k, it will be the cheapest available. The reason for the cheap price? Assembly uses no stamping presses or paint booths- the body is laser cut and folded, the stainless alloy being to hard to stamp..
Cheapest?
1/2 ton trucks start around $28k.
Also, will they ever produce a $40k truck for sale...or will it be bait and switch like the M3.
Out of EV trucks.
valhalla360 wrote:
JRscooby wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
So it's a Suburu Brat...Actually in other countries they still sell similar models but if this is the case, he's not marketing to his target audience.
Are we right sure about not marketing to his target?
If he's going after the suburu brat market, why is he going on about 3500lb payload, 100000lb towing, and doing tests against 1/2 ton trucks?
Like I tried to point out, for most buyers of class 1 trucks, the numbers, if they know what they are, are just imitation steroids to make them feel bigger between the legs. "I can tow a boxcar, out run a stockcar" might make you feel good while strapping down the car seat.
valhalla360 wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote:
Apologies if this has been said, but a couple of points about the cybertruck- at a base of just under $40k, it will be the cheapest available. The reason for the cheap price? Assembly uses no stamping presses or paint booths- the body is laser cut and folded, the stainless alloy being to hard to stamp..
Cheapest?
1/2 ton trucks start around $28k.
Also, will they ever produce a $40k truck for sale...or will it be bait and switch like the M3.
I would imagine just like the model 3 the first year or two of production will be the more expensive variants with the cheaper variants coming later. But just like the model 3 I suspect they will eventually be available. There was no bait and switch where we live. That's usually a term reserved for dealerships that advertise one thing and then say they are out of stock or whatever. On the Canadian Tesla website the timeline for availability of the various model 3 models was always clear from the beginning.
* This post was edited 11/27/19 07:28am by Reisender *
If the ecoturkeys want to sell me on full electric, this isn't helping.
For now, I'll still stick with the 3 R's. Reduce, reuse, and recycle.
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Reisender wrote:
I would imagine just like the model 3 the first year or two of production will be the more expensive variants with the cheaper variants coming later. But just like the model 3 I suspect they will eventually be available. There was no bait and switch where we live. That's usually a term reserved for dealerships that advertise one thing and then say they are out of stock or whatever. On the Canadian Tesla website the timeline for availability of the various model 3 models was always clear from the beginning.
Three of my friends and a daughter bought Teslas. By the pattern, they got their based on the first-reserve-first-produced basis.
I suspect those who keeps accusing Tesla of bait-and-switch must not have experienced buying EV from them or got burned much too often by dealers in the car buying experience.
My friends even got offered a lower-priced, 300-1,200 low mileage (disclosed as used for test drives) from Tesla's inventories.
* This post was edited 11/27/19 12:24pm by Yosemite Sam1 *
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She makes a good point though. You can literally fill a fridge with beer, put it on a dolly. roll it up the built in ramp...and plug it in. Now thats facility.
Just sayin.
mooky stinks wrote:
$10,000 to go from rwd to awd. $70,000 for the 500 mile range(not towing) model. Someone needs to explain how they think the under 25 crowd is going to gobble these up.
No one would bother to explain it to you. They just do with 250,000 pre-orders to-date.
Reisender wrote:
Well, I don't know about 25 year olds but my mid fifties wife just decided what she is driving in 3 or 4 years. I just came out of the shower to find this email in my inbox. Guess I'll be driving the Leaf for a while. Sigh
She makes a good point though. You can literally fill a fridge with beer, put it on a dolly. roll it up the built in ramp...and plug it in. Now thats facility.
Just sayin.
And that's just good enough reason to have one
Did she offer that you can ride shotgun (at least)?
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Well, I don't know about 25 year olds but my mid fifties wife just decided what she is driving in 3 or 4 years. I just came out of the shower to find this email in my inbox. Guess I'll be driving the Leaf for a while. Sigh
She makes a good point though. You can literally fill a fridge with beer, put it on a dolly. roll it up the built in ramp...and plug it in. Now thats facility.
Just sayin.
And that's just good enough reason to have one
Did she offer that you can ride shotgun (at least)?
She is a retired soldier. She gets the shotgun.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
mooky stinks wrote:
$10,000 to go from rwd to awd. $70,000 for the 500 mile range(not towing) model. Someone needs to explain how they think the under 25 crowd is going to gobble these up.
No one would bother to explain it to you. They just do with 250,000 pre-orders to-date.
So you can't. Ok
wilber1 wrote:
Can't see myself dumping a half yard of sand, gravel or bark mulch in the back of one of those things. Might have a great cool factor but not to very practical as a pickup. Pickups look like they do and have flat bed rails for a reason.
Yah I can't see her using it for sand or gravel either. But what would the height of the bed rails have to do with it.
She loves the fact it has a power tonneau cover. I get it. More useable lockable storage than any pickup.
Anyway. She is way down the list. I'm guessing three to four years before she sees it.
wilber1 wrote:
Can't see myself dumping a half yard of sand, gravel or bark mulch in the back of one of those things. Might have a great cool factor but not to very practical as a pickup. Pickups look like they do and have flat bed rails for a reason.
Half a yard?
That's only 3'x3'x18".
Could fit that in a lot of car trunks. Not saying the springs would hold though.
Reisender wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Can't see myself dumping a half yard of sand, gravel or bark mulch in the back of one of those things. Might have a great cool factor but not to very practical as a pickup. Pickups look like they do and have flat bed rails for a reason.
Yah I can't see her using it for sand or gravel either. But what would the height of the bed rails have to do with it.
She loves the fact it has a power tonneau cover. I get it. More useable lockable storage than any pickup.
Anyway. She is way down the list. I'm guessing three to four years before she sees it.
It isn't the height of the bedrails, its the angle. Bedrails on pickups are level for a reason. Canopies, campers, racks for snow machines, kayaks etc., plus all those things you see on contractor's trucks. Not that it will be used for fifth wheels but you could never use a truck with rails like that to haul one.
They will probably sell lots of them but not many will be used as actual trucks.
NJRVer wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Can't see myself dumping a half yard of sand, gravel or bark mulch in the back of one of those things. Might have a great cool factor but not to very practical as a pickup. Pickups look like they do and have flat bed rails for a reason.
Half a yard?
That's only 3'x3'x18".
Could fit that in a lot of car trunks. Not saying the springs would hold though.
Yup it would depend on the weight. You could fill to the top with bark mulch or sawdust but not with wet sand or gravel.
Reisender wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Can't see myself dumping a half yard of sand, gravel or bark mulch in the back of one of those things. Might have a great cool factor but not to very practical as a pickup. Pickups look like they do and have flat bed rails for a reason.
Yah I can't see her using it for sand or gravel either. But what would the height of the bed rails have to do with it.
She loves the fact it has a power tonneau cover. I get it. More useable lockable storage than any pickup.
Anyway. She is way down the list. I'm guessing three to four years before she sees it.
Unless it's work supplied truck, those are too shiny and I bet their owners don't dump anything on it either.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Can't see myself dumping a half yard of sand, gravel or bark mulch in the back of one of those things. Might have a great cool factor but not to very practical as a pickup. Pickups look like they do and have flat bed rails for a reason.
Yah I can't see her using it for sand or gravel either. But what would the height of the bed rails have to do with it.
She loves the fact it has a power tonneau cover. I get it. More useable lockable storage than any pickup.
Anyway. She is way down the list. I'm guessing three to four years before she sees it.
Unless it's work supplied truck, those are too shiny and I bet their owners don't dump anything on it either.
Interesting. One of our neighbours who is an avid skier along with his family, think it will be perfect for them. He put his order in yesterday. Lockable storage for the skies kinda cool.
wilber1 wrote:
Can't see myself dumping a half yard of sand, gravel or bark mulch in the back of one of those things. Might have a great cool factor but not to very practical as a pickup. Pickups look like they do and have flat bed rails for a reason.
Is that a joke or what ? 99% of pickup owners never do that.
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8.1 Van wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Can't see myself dumping a half yard of sand, gravel or bark mulch in the back of one of those things. Might have a great cool factor but not to very practical as a pickup. Pickups look like they do and have flat bed rails for a reason.
Is that a joke or what ? 99% of pickup owners never do that.
My friend is at 50%. He owns a contracting company and he got a bang up one with all the tools thrown into the bed and another too shiny to be a work truck.
8.1 Van wrote:
This was also said to have been designed to have a front bed in place of a trunk for engine.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
8.1 Van wrote:
This was also said to have been designed to have a front bed in place of a trunk for engine.
It is a frunk. There are a couple pictures floating around but I haven't seen them.
Sounds like a lot of work still to do.
8.1 Van wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Can't see myself dumping a half yard of sand, gravel or bark mulch in the back of one of those things. Might have a great cool factor but not to very practical as a pickup. Pickups look like they do and have flat bed rails for a reason.
Is that a joke or what ? 99% of pickup owners never do that.
Guess I'm in the 1%. If I didn't need a truck I wouldn't own one.
Frostbitte wrote:
Looks like a 70's/80's Sci-fi b-movie prop and about as useful too.
If the ecoturkeys want to sell me on full electric, this isn't helping.
For now, I'll still stick with the 3 R's. Reduce, reuse, and recycle.
Hmm Id think electric truck w stainless steel body would last much longer then your Ram w Cummins and be way cheaper to run too.
Btw
Hows them Tar sands polution up there lately?
Ive heard cancers are quite comon in people livin downwind
mooky stinks wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
mooky stinks wrote:
$10,000 to go from rwd to awd. $70,000 for the 500 mile range(not towing) model. Someone needs to explain how they think the under 25 crowd is going to gobble these up.
No one would bother to explain it to you. They just do with 250,000 pre-orders to-date.
So you can't. Ok
As Famous late great CEO of Chrysco used to say:
If you can find better car,buy it"
Dwell on that for a while
https://youtu.be/Yj_2l3HtSqQ
Every Tesla is already status symbol in Europe going toe-to-toe against high performance top brand cars.
NJRVer wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote:
Apologies if this has been said, but a couple of points about the cybertruck- at a base of just under $40k, it will be the cheapest available. The reason for the cheap price? Assembly uses no stamping presses or paint booths- the body is laser cut and folded, the stainless alloy being to hard to stamp..
Cheapest?
1/2 ton trucks start around $28k.
Also, will they ever produce a $40k truck for sale...or will it be bait and switch like the M3.
Out of EV trucks.
By that logic, we can legitimately state it's the MOST EXPENSIVE EV pickup.
Reisender wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote:
Apologies if this has been said, but a couple of points about the cybertruck- at a base of just under $40k, it will be the cheapest available. The reason for the cheap price? Assembly uses no stamping presses or paint booths- the body is laser cut and folded, the stainless alloy being to hard to stamp..
Cheapest?
1/2 ton trucks start around $28k.
Also, will they ever produce a $40k truck for sale...or will it be bait and switch like the M3.
I would imagine just like the model 3 the first year or two of production will be the more expensive variants with the cheaper variants coming later. But just like the model 3 I suspect they will eventually be available. There was no bait and switch where we live. That's usually a term reserved for dealerships that advertise one thing and then say they are out of stock or whatever. On the Canadian Tesla website the timeline for availability of the various model 3 models was always clear from the beginning.
The model 3 "technically" was available at the magic price...for like 2 weeks...then they raised the base price. I suspect they did it mostly to avoid lawsuits.
Here's the video.
OK... Go ahead and watch the next video that comes up...
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Bedlam wrote:
She is definitely blonde. No one bought one but plenty have placed reservations.
Well, we are going on three years for the semi thread. So we probably have time to sort out if anybody bought the truck and if it was successful.
valhalla360 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote:
Apologies if this has been said, but a couple of points about the cybertruck- at a base of just under $40k, it will be the cheapest available. The reason for the cheap price? Assembly uses no stamping presses or paint booths- the body is laser cut and folded, the stainless alloy being to hard to stamp..
Cheapest?
1/2 ton trucks start around $28k.
Also, will they ever produce a $40k truck for sale...or will it be bait and switch like the M3.
I would imagine just like the model 3 the first year or two of production will be the more expensive variants with the cheaper variants coming later. But just like the model 3 I suspect they will eventually be available. There was no bait and switch where we live. That's usually a term reserved for dealerships that advertise one thing and then say they are out of stock or whatever. On the Canadian Tesla website the timeline for availability of the various model 3 models was always clear from the beginning.
The model 3 "technically" was available at the magic price...for like 2 weeks...then they raised the base price. I suspect they did it mostly to avoid lawsuits.
valhalla360 wrote:
NJRVer wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote:
Apologies if this has been said, but a couple of points about the cybertruck- at a base of just under $40k, it will be the cheapest available. The reason for the cheap price? Assembly uses no stamping presses or paint booths- the body is laser cut and folded, the stainless alloy being to hard to stamp..
Cheapest?
1/2 ton trucks start around $28k.
Also, will they ever produce a $40k truck for sale...or will it be bait and switch like the M3.
Out of EV trucks.
By that logic, we can legitimately state it's the MOST EXPENSIVE EV pickup.
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And you used the word "logic"???
There are two at least available for pre-order for which Tesla is cheapest.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
NJRVer wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote:
Apologies if this has been said, but a couple of points about the cybertruck- at a base of just under $40k, it will be the cheapest available. The reason for the cheap price? Assembly uses no stamping presses or paint booths- the body is laser cut and folded, the stainless alloy being to hard to stamp..
Cheapest?
1/2 ton trucks start around $28k.
Also, will they ever produce a $40k truck for sale...or will it be bait and switch like the M3.
Out of EV trucks.
By that logic, we can legitimately state it's the MOST EXPENSIVE EV pickup.
And you used the word "logic"???
There are two at least available for pre-order for which Tesla is cheapest.
Is this really a debate on the cheapest of two non existent vehicles? Probably be better to wait until one actually sells/delivered to get the price much less which is cheaper.
free radical wrote:
Frostbitte wrote:
Looks like a 70's/80's Sci-fi b-movie prop and about as useful too.
If the ecoturkeys want to sell me on full electric, this isn't helping.
For now, I'll still stick with the 3 R's. Reduce, reuse, and recycle.
Hmm Id think electric truck w stainless steel body would last much longer then your Ram w Cummins and be way cheaper to run too.
Btw
Hows them Tar sands polution up there lately?
Ive heard cancers are quite comon in people livin downwind
My RAM is running great. No rust either. Not sure why that's a thing. Not here anyways. Maybe in the North East US.
EV cheaper to run? Hmmm, maybe, for now. But wait until more people convert over to whatever it is. Hydrogen fuel cell, EV...Doesn't matter. Eventually, they'll find a way to make you pay. Firmware updates on your EV? Engineered obsolescence for parts. Road tax, electric tax. Doesn't matter, eventually governments and business will find ways to replace revenue generated from the ICE ecosystem. If you can, enjoy it while it lasts.
Be cautious of what you hear about the Tar Sands. There's a lot of misinformation that has been deliberately spread for years.
We all have a to pay a price for civilization. I'm more worried about plastic pollution, cities dumping raw sewage into the rivers and oceans and shipping our garbage overseas rather than recycling and disposing of it properly.
Those Lithium mines for EV batteries aren't very eco-friendly either. Same with fracking and other forms of oil extraction.
As for cancer rates...not sure. I know lots who've worked or are working it the patch. Nothing cancer related sticks out. More stuff related to working long hours. Not everyone is able to do it.
I'd wager my carbon footprint in my diesel is far, far less then than those that fly (business and/or pleasure) multiple times a year or drive exceedingly long distances no matter the vehicle, take cruises every couple of years. Not to mention all the container ships, tour boats, airplanes, buses, trains everyone uses.
I'll keep improving my home to make it more energy efficient and eventually I'd like to add solar panels, if possible.
My original point still stands. I don't like the truck and find it would be next to useless for any of my applications. I really don't care how it's powered but if it can't do what I already can do with what's available, then I'm simply not interested.
Then notice those who don't and won't -- trying mighty hard to prognosticate about the non-existent problems the prospective owners will have or the doom of the EV cars and trucks.
Geez, why can't you be happy for some people sometime. Let me guess, you are also wishing it's raining or they are having strong winds on Macy's Thanksgiving parade?
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Reisender wrote:
Happy thanksgiving all.
Remains to be seen. My daughter and her husband are preparing the dinner.
Reisender wrote:
Happy thanksgiving all.
LOL!
And that looks better than Elon's design.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Happy thanksgiving all.
LOL!
And that looks better than Elon's design.
And you can eat it. LOL
Frostbitte wrote:
free radical wrote:
Frostbitte wrote:
Looks like a 70's/80's Sci-fi b-movie prop and about as useful too.
If the ecoturkeys want to sell me on full electric, this isn't helping.
For now, I'll still stick with the 3 R's. Reduce, reuse, and recycle.
Hmm Id think electric truck w stainless steel body would last much longer then your Ram w Cummins and be way cheaper to run too.
Btw
Hows them Tar sands polution up there lately?
Ive heard cancers are quite comon in people livin downwind
My RAM is running great. No rust either. Not sure why that's a thing. Not here anyways. Maybe in the North East US.
EV cheaper to run? Hmmm, maybe, for now. But wait until more people convert over to whatever it is. Hydrogen fuel cell, EV...Doesn't matter. Eventually, they'll find a way to make you pay. Firmware updates on your EV? Engineered obsolescence for parts. Road tax, electric tax. Doesn't matter, eventually governments and business will find ways to replace revenue generated from the ICE ecosystem. If you can, enjoy it while it lasts.
Be cautious of what you hear about the Tar Sands. There's a lot of misinformation that has been deliberately spread for years.
We all have a to pay a price for civilization. I'm more worried about plastic pollution, cities dumping raw sewage into the rivers and oceans and shipping our garbage overseas rather than recycling and disposing of it properly.
Those Lithium mines for EV batteries aren't very eco-friendly either. Same with fracking and other forms of oil extraction.
As for cancer rates...not sure. I know lots who've worked or are working it the patch. Nothing cancer related sticks out. More stuff related to working long hours. Not everyone is able to do it.
I'd wager my carbon footprint in my diesel is far, far less then than those that fly (business and/or pleasure) multiple times a year or drive exceedingly long distances no matter the vehicle, take cruises every couple of years. Not to mention all the container ships, tour boats, airplanes, buses, trains everyone uses.
I'll keep improving my home to make it more energy efficient and eventually I'd like to add solar panels, if possible.
My original point still stands. I don't like the truck and find it would be next to useless for any of my applications. I really don't care how it's powered but if it can't do what I already can do with what's available, then I'm simply not interested.
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Why I'm Switching to Tesla Cybertruck from Dodge Ram 3500!
Worldwide Cybertruck reservation tracker
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The tug o war between Tesla and Ford 150 was not fair I admit.
Not only Tesla weights more it also has way MORE power aka Torque.
How much is unknown, however Ive seen EvWest vids with their race car BMW
Which uses Tesla drivetrain and baterys and it puts 4000 lbs of torque to the wheels,yes 4 THOUSAND
Id think Tesla truck has at least that maybe more,so even with bigest 4x4 and diesel Ford or anyone else has no chance to outpull Tesla
Will see
https://electrek.co/2019/11/29/tesla-cyb........underdog-ford-f150-tug-of-war-challenge/
When the hammer is deployed, there would be 3 pounds of strike force initially spread out over a large area and cushioned with soft urethane. The shot arrives milliseconds later to dampen the rebound (dead blow). These hammers are designed to deliver a sustained pushing force to position equipment. They will never deliver the impact of a 12# steel sledge with a wooden handle. I use them for woodworking all the time as they don't dent the wood.
Deceptive? You decide.
Durb wrote:
A couple of points on the 12# sledge hammer to showcase the non-denting panels. It is really a 11.5# dead blow sledge which is the weight of the entire hammer. It has a solid steel shaft the full length of the handle which contributes to probably half its weight. Inside the head is a metal canister with steel shot which weighs what the canister and urethane head combined weigh. Say the total sledge head weight is 6 lbs., there would be 3 lbs of shot.
When the hammer is deployed, there would be 3 pounds of strike force initially spread out over a large area and cushioned with soft urethane. The shot arrives milliseconds later to dampen the rebound (dead blow). These hammers are designed to deliver a sustained pushing force to position equipment. They will never deliver the impact of a 12# steel sledge with a wooden handle. I use them for woodworking all the time as they don't dent the wood.
Deceptive? You decide.
No idea. How would a standard door panel stand up to that kind of a hit?
free radical wrote:
Some more food for thought
The tug o war between Tesla and Ford 150 was not fair I admit.
Not only Tesla weights more it also has way MORE power aka Torque.
How much is unknown, however Ive seen EvWest vids with their race car BMW
Which uses Tesla drivetrain and baterys and it puts 4000 lbs of torque to the wheels,yes 4 THOUSAND
Id think Tesla truck has at least that maybe more,so even with bigest 4x4 and diesel Ford or anyone else has no chance to outpull Tesla
Will see
https://electrek.co/2019/11/29/tesla-cyb........underdog-ford-f150-tug-of-war-challenge/
Torque is multiplied through a conventional drivetrain - so where you might have two electric motors each supplying 4,000lbs of torque directly to the wheels (for 8,000lbs total), quick calculations show that a HO Ram peaks at a little over twice that (17,317lbs with 3.73s) in first gear. Of course, as you shift through gears that amount is reduced, and IC engines do not always produce peak torque - but in a test like we're talking here, a modern diesel would easily beat your example Tesla given equal traction.
https://x-engineer.org/automotive-engineering/chassis/longitudinal-dynamics/calculate-wheel-torque-engine/
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2020 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon 2.0T (follow or TC toad)
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2016 Arctic Fox 1140 WB 1800W/11.4kWh
free radical wrote:
Some more food for thought
The tug o war between Tesla and Ford 150 was not fair I admit.
Not only Tesla weights more it also has way MORE power aka Torque.
How much is unknown, however Ive seen EvWest vids with their race car BMW
Which uses Tesla drivetrain and baterys and it puts 4000 lbs of torque to the wheels,yes 4 THOUSAND
Id think Tesla truck has at least that maybe more,so even with bigest 4x4 and diesel Ford or anyone else has no chance to outpull Tesla
Will see
https://electrek.co/2019/11/29/tesla-cyb........underdog-ford-f150-tug-of-war-challenge/
Tug of wars between trucks are just silly publicity stunts that prove nothing, although they could have at least put the Ford in 4WD. My AWD VW Golf wagon could beat an empty 2WD pickup in a tug of war as long as nothing broke. Put 2000 lbs in the bed of the pickup and the result is different even though HP and torque are the same. The winner is the truck with the most traction, as long as it has enough power to use it.
Agree with Durb, pure marketing to his fan base...wonder how many know what a dead blow hammer/sledge is...besides...think his fan base will have few actually use this as a truck...
BenK wrote:
Not ready for prime time towing....
Semi will have exactly the same problem
https://youtu.be/-cvNfmL7XQg
Plus, indicative Tusk doesn't understand off roading. Even on fire access roads. The Model X is a pavement vehicle IMHO
So, say that an unladen ICE powered pickup takes 100 units of energy to move it from point A to point B. A much more efficient EV takes only 50 units of energy to move it from A to B. Add a high profile trailer, and say that takes an additional 100 units of energy to move from A to B. The ICE pickup now takes a total of 200 units to go from A to B, a doubling of energy required or a halving of range. The EV now takes 150 units of energy, still more efficient overall, but instead of a 400 mile range it's range towing is just 133 miles since it's energy requirement has tripled over an unladen vehicle.
TFL's real world testing has shown this, and even towing a lightweight, low profile trailer cut the Tesla Model X's range in half.
BTW, torque and power are NOT the same fan bois.
Better hurry up with that FSD car Tusk. You have less than 30 days dude!
Until wait, problem with 30 to 50% power drain on Cybertruck. My ICE is worst at more than 50% reduced mpg when towing.
I can only go 200 miles in full charge when towing. Wait, that my regular stops for gas up and lunch on my camping trips.
I'll have problems with off roading? How, it will have a ton more torque and ground clearance?
The bullet proof glass shattered? Who cares, I'm not going to Texas anyways.
The looks, oh yeah, it still have not grown into me yet. Anyone, wants to buy for $5,000 my high-priority place in order-reservation queue?
Don't be shy, all the boys in the class have their pants down and participating in "mine-is-bigger-than-yours" contest.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Wow, I almost asked Elon to refund my hard-earned $100 for the Cybertruck with all the ghosts found under the hood of this truck.
Until wait, problem with 30 to 50% power drain on Cybertruck. My ICE is worst at more than 50% reduced mpg when towing.
I can only go 200 miles in full charge when towing. Wait, that my regular stops for gas up and lunch on my camping trips.
I'll have problems with off roading? How, it will have a ton more torque and ground clearance?
The bullet proof glass shattered? Who cares, I'm not going to Texas anyways.
The looks, oh yeah, it still have not grown into me yet. Anyone, wants to buy for $5,000 my high-priority place in order-reservation queue?
The difference is that with IC, you can fuel anywhere and it takes very little time to do so. There are infrastructure issues to be worked out before EVs can really take over the RV market, as well as thermal and power delivery issues for charging EVs faster.
If you want range, get a diesel with an aux tank. I can tow around 900 miles on a full tank and tend to tow 400 miles in a day, without stopping, possibly pulling over at a rest stop along the highway to jump in the trailer and use the restroom once. Everyone's travel style is different. What works for you probably doesn't work for a lot of other people here, who would quickly experience the Tesla's limitations given current infrastructure.
That being said, if I weren't full timing with a single vehicle and were living in a city somewhere, I'd probably trade my truck for a Tesla of some sort.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Wow, I almost asked Elon to refund my hard-earned $100 for the Cybertruck with all the ghosts found under the hood of this truck.
Until wait, problem with 30 to 50% power drain on Cybertruck. My ICE is worst at more than 50% reduced mpg when towing.
I can only go 200 miles in full charge when towing. Wait, that my regular stops for gas up and lunch on my camping trips.
I'll have problems with off roading? How, it will have a ton more torque and ground clearance?
The bullet proof glass shattered? Who cares, I'm not going to Texas anyways.
The looks, oh yeah, it still have not grown into me yet. Anyone, wants to buy for $5,000 my high-priority place in order-reservation queue?
Real world towing is showing a range of 30-50 percent verses unloaded. The reduction is 50-70 percent.
BTW: My diesel has a 30 percent reduction when under load verses unloded.
The truck I own puts out 650 ft/lbs at the crankshaft. That torque is fed to an Allison tranny with a 1st gear of 3.10 to 1 gear ratio.
Now that 650 ft/lbs of torque that is feed into the tranny comes out as 2,015 ft/lbs of torque.
But we are not done yet. Now fan bois, we need to feed that 2,015 ft/lbs of torque into the 3.75 rear end.
So, 2,015 ft/lbs go into the rear end and the tires see slightly over 7,500 ft/lbs of torque.
It has been reported that the Cyber junk will have 1,000 ft/lbs of torque. If true, my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
If I have time I will do some more math to show that lying Elon is FOS.
BTW, what happened to the Tusk 300,000 tow rating? LOL
Bedlam wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Wow, I almost asked Elon to refund my hard-earned $100 for the Cybertruck with all the ghosts found under the hood of this truck.
Until wait, problem with 30 to 50% power drain on Cybertruck. My ICE is worst at more than 50% reduced mpg when towing.
I can only go 200 miles in full charge when towing. Wait, that my regular stops for gas up and lunch on my camping trips.
I'll have problems with off roading? How, it will have a ton more torque and ground clearance?
The bullet proof glass shattered? Who cares, I'm not going to Texas anyways.
The looks, oh yeah, it still have not grown into me yet. Anyone, wants to buy for $5,000 my high-priority place in order-reservation queue?
Real world towing is showing a range of 30-50 percent verses unloaded. The reduction is 50-70 percent.
BTW: My diesel has a 30 percent reduction when under load verses unloded.
Huh?
When and where? Have they already tested the Cybertruck under towing conditions? Dang, I missed that one!
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2015 GMC D/A, CC 4x4/ Z71 ,3.73,IBC SLT+
2018 Jayco 338RETS
2 Trek bikes
Honda EU2000i
It must be time to go, the suns out and I've got a full tank of diesel!
We have a granite fireplace hearth! Love to be a little different.
If you are buying on speculation that technology will be at a point of only 30-50 percent range reduction by the time you purchase your truck, then state that this where you think the progression will lead.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Wow, I almost asked Elon to refund my hard-earned $100 for the Cybertruck with all the ghosts found under the hood of this truck.
Until wait, problem with 30 to 50% power drain on Cybertruck. My ICE is worst at more than 50% reduced mpg when towing.
I can only go 200 miles in full charge when towing. Wait, that my regular stops for gas up and lunch on my camping trips.
I'll have problems with off roading? How, it will have a ton more torque and ground clearance?
The bullet proof glass shattered? Who cares, I'm not going to Texas anyways.
The looks, oh yeah, it still have not grown into me yet. Anyone, wants to buy for $5,000 my high-priority place in order-reservation queue?
Real world towing is showing a range of 30-50 percent verses unloaded. The reduction is 50-70 percent.
BTW: My diesel has a 30 percent reduction when under load verses unloded.
Huh?
When and where? Have they already tested the Cybertruck under towing conditions? Dang, I missed that one!
Not the Cybertruck but why would it be any different from
This
Electric motors are the best thing for moving heavy loads but existing battery technology just isn't up to storing enough energy for sustained high load operation.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Wow, I almost asked Elon to refund my hard-earned $100 for the Cybertruck with all the ghosts found under the hood of this truck.
Until wait, problem with 30 to 50% power drain on Cybertruck. My ICE is worst at more than 50% reduced mpg when towing.
I can only go 200 miles in full charge when towing. Wait, that my regular stops for gas up and lunch on my camping trips.
I'll have problems with off roading? How, it will have a ton more torque and ground clearance?
The bullet proof glass shattered? Who cares, I'm not going to Texas anyways.
The looks, oh yeah, it still have not grown into me yet. Anyone, wants to buy for $5,000 my high-priority place in order-reservation queue?
Real world towing is showing a range of 30-50 percent verses unloaded. The reduction is 50-70 percent.
BTW: My diesel has a 30 percent reduction when under load verses unloded.
Huh?
When and where? Have they already tested the Cybertruck under towing conditions? Dang, I missed that one!
Here is your Tesla towing. Watch what happens. The look on the kids face is priceless! LOL
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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/01/couple-p........k-bought-it-from-them-for-6-figures.html
Still see a few 1st gen Tesla's locally
time2roll wrote:
I wonder if there will be different shades of that metal skin. Silver to dark grey seem to be popular. Seeing more of the matt finish also.
The matt finish is customized vinyl cladding. You can even get a camo -- but I think you need to cross into Canada to get that.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
I wonder if there will be different shades of that metal skin. Silver to dark grey seem to be popular. Seeing more of the matt finish also.
The matt finish is customized vinyl cladding. You can even get a camo -- but I think you need to cross into Canada to get that.
time2roll wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
I wonder if there will be different shades of that metal skin. Silver to dark grey seem to be popular. Seeing more of the matt finish also.
The matt finish is customized vinyl cladding. You can even get a camo -- but I think you need to cross into Canada to get that.
I read some vehicles are factory painted with matte finish. Either way I don't think Cybertruck will have a wrap.
My daughter's Tesla X green matt is a wrap is after market. I would think the same for Cybertruck. Of course, we all want it factory customized.
And against someone who made a re-usable rocket land on a barge which to rocket scientist is analogous to threading a needle from 10 stories high on a gale force wind.
Probably the marketing has improved that much.
time2roll wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
I wonder if there will be different shades of that metal skin. Silver to dark grey seem to be popular. Seeing more of the matt finish also.
The matt finish is customized vinyl cladding. You can even get a camo -- but I think you need to cross into Canada to get that.
I read some vehicles are factory painted with matte finish. Either way I don't think Cybertruck will have a wrap.
Are you guys still talking about the truck? Aside of the one prototype where are all these paint variations and wraps?
fj12ryder wrote:
Last time I checked, EV's still use electric motors powered by batteries. The batteries and motors are improved, but "leapfrogged by 1,000 %"? Maybe not quite that much.
Probably the marketing has improved that much.
I don't know where you are or where you've been but out here, EV started with hybrid where battery can only last up to 30 miles and now with Tesla we have 300 miles and without an engine to back it up.
Ah ok, I now know where you are.
I believe the term is "What goes around, comes around"...again.
A little history checking could be in order, if you think electric cars are so recent.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois why an old truck like I own puts out many, many times more torque that the Cyber junk.
The truck I own puts out 650 ft/lbs at the crankshaft. That torque is fed to an Allison tranny with a 1st gear of 3.10 to 1 gear ratio.
Now that 650 ft/lbs of torque that is feed into the tranny comes out as 2,015 ft/lbs of torque.
But we are not done yet. Now fan bois, we need to feed that 2,015 ft/lbs of torque into the 3.75 rear end.
So, 2,015 ft/lbs go into the rear end and the tires see slightly over 7,500 ft/lbs of torque.
It has been reported that the Cyber junk will have 1,000 ft/lbs of torque. If true, my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
Then you should have no problem proving your truck can beat Tesla easy
Go prove it
https://electrek.co/2019/11/29/tesla-cyb........underdog-ford-f150-tug-of-war-challenge/
free radical wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois why an old truck like I own puts out many, many times more torque that the Cyber junk.
The truck I own puts out 650 ft/lbs at the crankshaft. That torque is fed to an Allison tranny with a 1st gear of 3.10 to 1 gear ratio.
Now that 650 ft/lbs of torque that is feed into the tranny comes out as 2,015 ft/lbs of torque.
But we are not done yet. Now fan bois, we need to feed that 2,015 ft/lbs of torque into the 3.75 rear end.
So, 2,015 ft/lbs go into the rear end and the tires see slightly over 7,500 ft/lbs of torque.
It has been reported that the Cyber junk will have 1,000 ft/lbs of torque. If true, my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
Then you should have no problem proving your truck can beat Tesla easy
Go prove it
https://electrek.co/2019/11/29/tesla-cyb........underdog-ford-f150-tug-of-war-challenge/
I personally like how the fans were so wide eyed and blinded by the glow of Elon they didn't even realize the F150 was a 4x2. In a test where traction is the most important there were a lot of gullibles hooked that day. Luckily it was all catch and release so they could put in those $100 reservations to be filled TBD.
mich800 wrote:
Are you guys still talking about the truck? Aside of the one prototype where are all these paint variations and wraps?
Just commenting that seems a bit more popular lately and curious if it can be several different shades of grey.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois.... my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzKCJsou10w
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois.... my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
Then why is your truck so much slower?
How do you know it is? Until it is certified at the track nothing is true. Nothing.
But lets say the spec's on the cyber junk are all true and the cyber junk goes 0 to 60 in 2 seconds or whatever. The reason the cyber junk would beat my truck is because HP and not torque. HP determines how "fast" AND "quick" a vehicle is.
Must we really go over this AGAIN? Torque is not power. I can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque at 1000 RPM and have less than 200 HP.
It takes a lot of HP to go fast and quick and you know what that takes? Yep, a lot of energy.
My car uses about 1.2 gallons of gasoline to drive a little less than a mile. A gallon of gasoline has a LOT of energy in it unlike LI batteries.
In fact a LI battery has about 10% the energy content of gasoline pound for pound. That means if I towed the trailer I have with an electric truck I would get about 40 miles down the road before I would need to "fill up" again.
Or to look at it another way I would have a 3.5 gallon tank in my Duramax. Nice hu? LOL
This is why lying Elon if FOS when he talks about the range of his cyber junk with a 125KW/hr battery.
Even a little tiny car made of all aluminum, with every aero trick in the book it can only go a little over 300 miles with a 100 KW/hr battery. And lying Elon said his jacked up junk made out of plate stainless like a armored truck with wide tires can go that and then some. He's full of bovine excrement.
Ford said they will bring it to lying Elon. But Ford will have apples to apples and not a 4x vs 2x like lying Elon did.
Good luck Elon. LOL BTW better get that FSD car done like you said would be finished by the end of this year!
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois why an old truck like I own puts out many, many times more torque that the Cyber junk.
The truck I own puts out 650 ft/lbs at the crankshaft. That torque is fed to an Allison tranny with a 1st gear of 3.10 to 1 gear ratio.
Now that 650 ft/lbs of torque that is feed into the tranny comes out as 2,015 ft/lbs of torque.
But we are not done yet. Now fan bois, we need to feed that 2,015 ft/lbs of torque into the 3.75 rear end.
So, 2,015 ft/lbs go into the rear end and the tires see slightly over 7,500 ft/lbs of torque.
It has been reported that the Cyber junk will have 1,000 ft/lbs of torque. If true, my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
I'm not well educated, but I think you over looked something in your math; You say your engine puts out 650 ft/lbs. But you do not account for what RPM it puts out that amount. Divide that RPM, by the 3.75 for rearend, then that by the 3.1 of the transmission, how fast is the wheel spinning to get that 7500 foot lbs of torque?
Now a electric motor puts out max torque as soon as it starts to turn. So in a silly "tug of war" the only engine torque the E must overcome is the torque at idle thru trans/rear.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois.... my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
Then why is your truck so much slower?
How do you know it is? Until it is certified at the track nothing is true. Nothing.
But lets say the spec's on the cyber junk are all true and the cyber junk goes 0 to 60 in 2 seconds or whatever. The reason the cyber junk would beat my truck is because HP and not torque. HP determines how "fast" AND "quick" a vehicle is.
Must we really go over this AGAIN? Torque is not power. I can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque at 1000 RPM and have less than 200 HP.
It takes a lot of HP to go fast and quick and you know what that takes? Yep, a lot of energy.
My car uses about 1.2 gallons of gasoline to drive a little less than a mile. A gallon of gasoline has a LOT of energy in it unlike LI batteries.
In fact a LI battery has about 10% the energy content of gasoline pound for pound. That means if I towed the trailer I have with an electric truck I would get about 40 miles down the road before I would need to "fill up" again.
Or to look at it another way I would have a 3.5 gallon tank in my Duramax. Nice hu? LOL
This is why lying Elon if FOS when he talks about the range of his cyber junk with a 125KW/hr battery.
Even a little tiny car made of all aluminum, with every aero trick in the book it can only go a little over 300 miles with a 100 KW/hr battery. And lying Elon said his jacked up junk made out of plate stainless like a armored truck with wide tires can go that and then some. He's full of bovine excrement.
Ford said they will bring it to lying Elon. But Ford will have apples to apples and not a 4x vs 2x like lying Elon did.
Good luck Elon. LOL BTW better get that FSD car done like you said would be finished by the end of this year!
time2roll wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Are you guys still talking about the truck? Aside of the one prototype where are all these paint variations and wraps?
Yes the Cybertruck has a bit of a matte finish to the bare metal.
Just commenting that seems a bit more popular lately and curious if it can be several different shades of grey.
Looks like it will come out as bare metal, most likely with some matting to remove too much shine of shine from bare stainless steel.
Says it will come out without paint. Not sure yet if vinyl wrap will be customized in the factory but definitely there will be services after market, already is.
I got auxiliary led light bar on the roof. Cybertruck will have one built in recessed on top of the windshield.
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois.... my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
Then why is your truck so much slower?
How do you know it is? Until it is certified at the track nothing is true. Nothing.
But lets say the spec's on the cyber junk are all true and the cyber junk goes 0 to 60 in 2 seconds or whatever. The reason the cyber junk would beat my truck is because HP and not torque. HP determines how "fast" AND "quick" a vehicle is.
Must we really go over this AGAIN? Torque is not power. I can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque at 1000 RPM and have less than 200 HP.
It takes a lot of HP to go fast and quick and you know what that takes? Yep, a lot of energy.
My car uses about 1.2 gallons of gasoline to drive a little less than a mile. A gallon of gasoline has a LOT of energy in it unlike LI batteries.
In fact a LI battery has about 10% the energy content of gasoline pound for pound. That means if I towed the trailer I have with an electric truck I would get about 40 miles down the road before I would need to "fill up" again.
Or to look at it another way I would have a 3.5 gallon tank in my Duramax. Nice hu? LOL
This is why lying Elon if FOS when he talks about the range of his cyber junk with a 125KW/hr battery.
Even a little tiny car made of all aluminum, with every aero trick in the book it can only go a little over 300 miles with a 100 KW/hr battery. And lying Elon said his jacked up junk made out of plate stainless like a armored truck with wide tires can go that and then some. He's full of bovine excrement.
Ford said they will bring it to lying Elon. But Ford will have apples to apples and not a 4x vs 2x like lying Elon did.
Good luck Elon. LOL BTW better get that FSD car done like you said would be finished by the end of this year!
OK so why is your truck so much slower?
I'm waiting for a longer kilometric answer for this simple burn!
* This post was edited 12/02/19 09:49am by Yosemite Sam1 *
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois.... my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
Then why is your truck so much slower?
How do you know it is? Until it is certified at the track nothing is true. Nothing.
But lets say the spec's on the cyber junk are all true and the cyber junk goes 0 to 60 in 2 seconds or whatever. The reason the cyber junk would beat my truck is because HP and not torque. HP determines how "fast" AND "quick" a vehicle is.
Must we really go over this AGAIN? Torque is not power. I can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque at 1000 RPM and have less than 200 HP.
It takes a lot of HP to go fast and quick and you know what that takes? Yep, a lot of energy.
My car uses about 1.2 gallons of gasoline to drive a little less than a mile. A gallon of gasoline has a LOT of energy in it unlike LI batteries.
In fact a LI battery has about 10% the energy content of gasoline pound for pound. That means if I towed the trailer I have with an electric truck I would get about 40 miles down the road before I would need to "fill up" again.
Or to look at it another way I would have a 3.5 gallon tank in my Duramax. Nice hu? LOL
This is why lying Elon if FOS when he talks about the range of his cyber junk with a 125KW/hr battery.
Even a little tiny car made of all aluminum, with every aero trick in the book it can only go a little over 300 miles with a 100 KW/hr battery. And lying Elon said his jacked up junk made out of plate stainless like a armored truck with wide tires can go that and then some. He's full of bovine excrement.
Ford said they will bring it to lying Elon. But Ford will have apples to apples and not a 4x vs 2x like lying Elon did.
Good luck Elon. LOL BTW better get that FSD car done like you said would be finished by the end of this year!
OK so why is your truck so much slower?
I'm waiting for a longer kilometric answer for this simple burn!
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.
wilber1 wrote:
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.
Turtle claimed better diesel torque and the Cybertruck was weak.
I want to know why the diesel with all that power and torque is so slow at accelerating (loaded or not) compared to Cybertruck.
time2roll wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.
I understand range.
Turtle claimed better diesel torque and the Cybertruck was weak.
I want to know why the diesel with all that power and torque is so slow at accelerating (loaded or not) compared to Cybertruck.
And pissed off neighbors with the noise and stink.
wilber1 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois.... my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
Then why is your truck so much slower?
How do you know it is? Until it is certified at the track nothing is true. Nothing.
But lets say the spec's on the cyber junk are all true and the cyber junk goes 0 to 60 in 2 seconds or whatever. The reason the cyber junk would beat my truck is because HP and not torque. HP determines how "fast" AND "quick" a vehicle is.
Must we really go over this AGAIN? Torque is not power. I can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque at 1000 RPM and have less than 200 HP.
It takes a lot of HP to go fast and quick and you know what that takes? Yep, a lot of energy.
My car uses about 1.2 gallons of gasoline to drive a little less than a mile. A gallon of gasoline has a LOT of energy in it unlike LI batteries.
In fact a LI battery has about 10% the energy content of gasoline pound for pound. That means if I towed the trailer I have with an electric truck I would get about 40 miles down the road before I would need to "fill up" again.
Or to look at it another way I would have a 3.5 gallon tank in my Duramax. Nice hu? LOL
This is why lying Elon if FOS when he talks about the range of his cyber junk with a 125KW/hr battery.
Even a little tiny car made of all aluminum, with every aero trick in the book it can only go a little over 300 miles with a 100 KW/hr battery. And lying Elon said his jacked up junk made out of plate stainless like a armored truck with wide tires can go that and then some. He's full of bovine excrement.
Ford said they will bring it to lying Elon. But Ford will have apples to apples and not a 4x vs 2x like lying Elon did.
Good luck Elon. LOL BTW better get that FSD car done like you said would be finished by the end of this year!
OK so why is your truck so much slower?
I'm waiting for a longer kilometric answer for this simple burn!
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.
In not sure why it's a hurdle. I don't really care how much my fuel weighs. I don't think I have ever met anyone who does. EV's outperform liquid fuelled vehicles in every way. Plus they can be fueled at home or work. I don't think you are going to convince the next generation of car buyers that an old fashioned stinky noisy gutless vehicle that has to go to a gas dispensary to be fueled is better than a an EV because the fuel source is lighter or denser or any other goofy properties.
Just sayin. If you grow up in an EV household no way you look at something that "burns fuel".
Reisender wrote:
In not sure why it's a hurdle. I don't really care how much my fuel weighs. I don't think I have ever met anyone who does. EV's outperform liquid fuelled vehicles in every way. Plus they can be fueled at home or work. I don't think you are going to convince the next generation of car buyers that an old fashioned stinky noisy gutless vehicle that has to go to a gas dispensary to be fueled is better than a an EV because the fuel source is lighter or denser or any other goofy properties.
Just sayin. If you grow up in an EV household no way you look at something that "burns fuel".
And where else can you find where fuel is delivered to you -- and very cheap at that.
Reisender wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois.... my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
Then why is your truck so much slower?
How do you know it is? Until it is certified at the track nothing is true. Nothing.
But lets say the spec's on the cyber junk are all true and the cyber junk goes 0 to 60 in 2 seconds or whatever. The reason the cyber junk would beat my truck is because HP and not torque. HP determines how "fast" AND "quick" a vehicle is.
Must we really go over this AGAIN? Torque is not power. I can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque at 1000 RPM and have less than 200 HP.
It takes a lot of HP to go fast and quick and you know what that takes? Yep, a lot of energy.
My car uses about 1.2 gallons of gasoline to drive a little less than a mile. A gallon of gasoline has a LOT of energy in it unlike LI batteries.
In fact a LI battery has about 10% the energy content of gasoline pound for pound. That means if I towed the trailer I have with an electric truck I would get about 40 miles down the road before I would need to "fill up" again.
Or to look at it another way I would have a 3.5 gallon tank in my Duramax. Nice hu? LOL
This is why lying Elon if FOS when he talks about the range of his cyber junk with a 125KW/hr battery.
Even a little tiny car made of all aluminum, with every aero trick in the book it can only go a little over 300 miles with a 100 KW/hr battery. And lying Elon said his jacked up junk made out of plate stainless like a armored truck with wide tires can go that and then some. He's full of bovine excrement.
Ford said they will bring it to lying Elon. But Ford will have apples to apples and not a 4x vs 2x like lying Elon did.
Good luck Elon. LOL BTW better get that FSD car done like you said would be finished by the end of this year!
OK so why is your truck so much slower?
I'm waiting for a longer kilometric answer for this simple burn!
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.
In not sure why it's a hurdle. I don't really care how much my fuel weighs. I don't think I have ever met anyone who does. EV's outperform liquid fuelled vehicles in every way. Plus they can be fueled at home or work. I don't think you are going to convince the next generation of car buyers that an old fashioned stinky noisy gutless vehicle that has to go to a gas dispensary to be fueled is better than a an EV because the fuel source is lighter or denser or any other goofy properties.
Just sayin. If you grow up in an EV household no way you look at something that "burns fuel".
The problem is, batteries just can't carry enough "fuel". A Model X towing a 4400 lb horse trailer had a range of about 120 miles at highway speed. I can go close to 300 towing a 12K fifth wheel on 250 Lbs of diesel and refuel in 15 minutes. I could double that simply by adding aux tank and adding another 250 lbs of fuel. The Model X would need to add another 1200 lb battery and it still couldn't go as far as my truck with the stock tank. That is what EV's are up against as tow vehicles.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.
I understand range.
Turtle claimed better diesel torque and the Cybertruck was weak.
I want to know why the diesel with all that power and torque is so slow at accelerating (loaded or not) compared to Cybertruck.
And pissed off neighbors with the noise and stink.
Newer diesels are pretty quiet and they don't stink.
I'm actually a fan of EV's for many applications, I'm just not willfully blind to their limitations.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Bedlam wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Wow, I almost asked Elon to refund my hard-earned $100 for the Cybertruck with all the ghosts found under the hood of this truck.
Until wait, problem with 30 to 50% power drain on Cybertruck. My ICE is worst at more than 50% reduced mpg when towing.
I can only go 200 miles in full charge when towing. Wait, that my regular stops for gas up and lunch on my camping trips.
I'll have problems with off roading? How, it will have a ton more torque and ground clearance?
The bullet proof glass shattered? Who cares, I'm not going to Texas anyways.
The looks, oh yeah, it still have not grown into me yet. Anyone, wants to buy for $5,000 my high-priority place in order-reservation queue?
Real world towing is showing a range of 30-50 percent verses unloaded. The reduction is 50-70 percent.
BTW: My diesel has a 30 percent reduction when under load verses unloded.
Huh?
When and where? Have they already tested the Cybertruck under towing conditions? Dang, I missed that one!
Here is your Tesla towing. Watch what happens. The look on the kids face is priceless! LOL
Tesla towing
wilber1 wrote:
Newer diesels are pretty quiet and they don't stink.
I'm actually a fan of EV's for many applications, I'm just not willfully blind to their limitations.
I better tell my neighbor that so I don't have to wake up as early as him for his shift.
And that the gas crisis won't be happening again so he need not stock up diesel anymore.
Before I start to think of buying a Deere tractor to get even.
wilber1 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.
I understand range.
Turtle claimed better diesel torque and the Cybertruck was weak.
I want to know why the diesel with all that power and torque is so slow at accelerating (loaded or not) compared to Cybertruck.
And pissed off neighbors with the noise and stink.
Newer diesels are pretty quiet and they don't stink.
I'm actually a fan of EV's for many applications, I'm just not willfully blind to their limitations.
Nope. They all stink (gas or diesel) and they are all noisy. It's just people get used to it. Drive electric for two weeks and then try and go back. That's why so many households that switch to an EV end up changing out the rest of the vehicles within a couple years. Your garage starts to smell like any other part of your house.
Oh. And on edit. They are also all gutless...unless they are REALLY LOUD AND STINKY... and then they are still slower.
* This post was edited 12/02/19 12:19pm by Reisender *
I want to pull my trailer from Missouri to the Gulf. Now, do I use my noisy, stinky diesel, or do I use a uber-quiet EV? Oh, that's a tough one..well, maybe not. There is no EV from which to choose.
Probably someday there may be EV's that can pull a 5th wheel long distances without too many issues, but not now, and not here. At least 5-10 years. In the mean time there are uses for EV's. Still limited by infrastructure, but getting better.
Reisender wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.
I understand range.
Turtle claimed better diesel torque and the Cybertruck was weak.
I want to know why the diesel with all that power and torque is so slow at accelerating (loaded or not) compared to Cybertruck.
And pissed off neighbors with the noise and stink.
Newer diesels are pretty quiet and they don't stink.
I'm actually a fan of EV's for many applications, I'm just not willfully blind to their limitations.
Nope. They all stink (gas or diesel) and they are all noisy. It's just people get used to it. Drive electric for two weeks and then try and go back. That's why so many households that switch to an EV end up changing out the rest of the vehicles within a couple years. Your garage starts to smell like any other part of your house.
Oh. And on edit. They are also all gutless...unless they are REALLY LOUD AND STINKY... and then they are still slower.
Sorry mate, EV's just can't hack it as tow vehicles except for short distances. That is just a reality imposed on them by current battery technology.
wilber1 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.
I understand range.
Turtle claimed better diesel torque and the Cybertruck was weak.
I want to know why the diesel with all that power and torque is so slow at accelerating (loaded or not) compared to Cybertruck.
And pissed off neighbors with the noise and stink.
Newer diesels are pretty quiet and they don't stink.
I'm actually a fan of EV's for many applications, I'm just not willfully blind to their limitations.
Nope. They all stink (gas or diesel) and they are all noisy. It's just people get used to it. Drive electric for two weeks and then try and go back. That's why so many households that switch to an EV end up changing out the rest of the vehicles within a couple years. Your garage starts to smell like any other part of your house.
Oh. And on edit. They are also all gutless...unless they are REALLY LOUD AND STINKY... and then they are still slower.
Sorry mate, EV's just can't hack it as tow vehicles except for short distances. That is just a reality imposed on them by current battery technology.
I don't have any idea. They don't build a tow vehicle yet. We'll have to wait until someone does. But based on specs, the cybertruck is more than adequate for many towing needs...and better than my POS GMC 3/4 ton ever was...at any level...ever.
Time will tell.
wilber1 wrote:
Sorry mate, EV's just can't hack it as tow vehicles except for short distances. That is just a reality imposed on them by current battery technology.
Of course first thing we need is an EV actually designed to tow. Even the Model X is very limited.
Going to be a couple years yet before an EV truck can be properly evaluated. And even then we will have to revisit the media that will manipulate the test to ensure failure such as Broder from NY Times and TFL Truck.
Reisender wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.
I understand range.
Turtle claimed better diesel torque and the Cybertruck was weak.
I want to know why the diesel with all that power and torque is so slow at accelerating (loaded or not) compared to Cybertruck.
And pissed off neighbors with the noise and stink.
Newer diesels are pretty quiet and they don't stink.
I'm actually a fan of EV's for many applications, I'm just not willfully blind to their limitations.
Nope. They all stink (gas or diesel) and they are all noisy. It's just people get used to it. Drive electric for two weeks and then try and go back. That's why so many households that switch to an EV end up changing out the rest of the vehicles within a couple years. Your garage starts to smell like any other part of your house.
Oh. And on edit. They are also all gutless...unless they are REALLY LOUD AND STINKY... and then they are still slower.
Sorry mate, EV's just can't hack it as tow vehicles except for short distances. That is just a reality imposed on them by current battery technology.
I don't have any idea. They don't build a tow vehicle yet. We'll have to wait until someone does. But based on specs, the cybertruck is more than adequate for many towing needs...and better than my POS GMC 3/4 to ever was...at any level...ever.
Time will tell.
No it won't be. No matter how much it can pull, it won't be able to pull it very far because of battery limitations.
time2roll wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.
I understand range.
Turtle claimed better diesel torque and the Cybertruck was weak.
I want to know why the diesel with all that power and torque is so slow at accelerating (loaded or not) compared to Cybertruck.
I never said the cyber junk could beat my pickup.
"If" it can it's the same reason my old hot rod street rod can beat the hottest Tesla car out; it's called "HORSEPOWER".
Since the cyber junk is only a stage prop at the moment we don't know who will win in a race now do we!
Lying Elon wrote:
It will be able to tow 300,000 pounds.
BTW Time or YS, what happened to the 300,000 tow rating?
wilber1 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
The simple fact is, a car getting 30 MPG can go farther on 70 lbs of gasoline than a Model S with a 1200lb battery. That is the hurdle that EV's face regardless of how superior electric motors are. Add a sustained heavy load situation like towing and the difference is even greater.
I understand range.
Turtle claimed better diesel torque and the Cybertruck was weak.
I want to know why the diesel with all that power and torque is so slow at accelerating (loaded or not) compared to Cybertruck.
And pissed off neighbors with the noise and stink.
Newer diesels are pretty quiet and they don't stink.
I'm actually a fan of EV's for many applications, I'm just not willfully blind to their limitations.
Nope. They all stink (gas or diesel) and they are all noisy. It's just people get used to it. Drive electric for two weeks and then try and go back. That's why so many households that switch to an EV end up changing out the rest of the vehicles within a couple years. Your garage starts to smell like any other part of your house.
Oh. And on edit. They are also all gutless...unless they are REALLY LOUD AND STINKY... and then they are still slower.
Sorry mate, EV's just can't hack it as tow vehicles except for short distances. That is just a reality imposed on them by current battery technology.
I don't have any idea. They don't build a tow vehicle yet. We'll have to wait until someone does. But based on specs, the cybertruck is more than adequate for many towing needs...and better than my POS GMC 3/4 to ever was...at any level...ever.
Time will tell.
No it won't be. No matter how much it can pull, it won't be able to pull it very far because of battery limitations.
Well, the GMC couldn't pull an 8000 pound trailer more than 200 miles. And it sucked at it. The thing should never have been legal to sell. Piece of junk. Sold it the day the warranty was up.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
BTW Time or YS, what happened to the 300,000 tow rating?
time2roll wrote:
I believe the prototype out accelerated a Porsche 911. Your diesel must be pretty good to match that but with all that torque you stated the diesel would way out pull the Cybertruck. I think you are wrong. Shall check back in three years.
Aaaaaa Time, I never said my diesel. I said my hot rod street rod. If you think you have a tesla that will beat it, bring it. I'm game!
Every body laughing at the cyber junk. Even Denny's. LOL This is golden!
Zerohedge wrote:
It was only about 10 days ago that Elon Musk revealed Tesla's new Cybertruck to legions of adoring sycophants and - well, the rest of the world who laughed at him and ridiculed the truck's design. Even Denny's took shots at Musk.
And why wouldn't they? The unveiling of the truck was a full scale disaster, complete with two broken windows and a passenger side back wheel that looked like it was about to fall off from underneath the truck. So, naturally, Musk claims that the cult of Tesla has already pre-ordered 250,000 of them. We documented the full unveiling circus in a writeup here.
Now, we're starting to get a glance into why the truck and its unveiling looked like such a poorly planned concept: because they were.
Musk said in early November, just several weeks before the unveiling, that the company does "zero market research whatsoever" when designing a new product, according to a new article from the Wall Street Journal.
Zerohedge wrote:
In other words, Musk wants to enter the best segment of the auto industry: the highly profitable, billion dollar pickup truck segment, and he has done no research as to how best to meet the needs of potential customers.
Is it any wonder the company is losing close to $1 billion per year?
And how does Musk defend the strategy of doing no research? The idea seems "seems especially reckless in the age of Big Data," the WSJ says. Especially while companies like Google, Apple and Facebook have based their success by doing nothing but harvesting and analyzing data. In other words, they don't make blind bets, like Musk is doing.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Aaaaaa Time, I never said my diesel. I said my hot rod street rod. If you think you have a tesla that will beat it, bring it. I'm game!
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Let me try to explain to the fan bois why an old truck like I own puts out many, many times more torque that the Cyber junk.
The truck I own puts out 650 ft/lbs at the crankshaft. That torque is fed to an Allison tranny with a 1st gear of 3.10 to 1 gear ratio.
Now that 650 ft/lbs of torque that is feed into the tranny comes out as 2,015 ft/lbs of torque.
But we are not done yet. Now fan bois, we need to feed that 2,015 ft/lbs of torque into the 3.75 rear end.
So, 2,015 ft/lbs go into the rear end and the tires see slightly over 7,500 ft/lbs of torque.
It has been reported that the Cyber junk will have 1,000 ft/lbs of torque. If true, my 12 YO truck will put out 7x's the amount of torque the Cyber junk will put out.
If I have time I will do some more math to show that lying Elon is FOS.
BTW, what happened to the Tusk 300,000 tow rating? LOL
This
With all that diesel torque and power why is your truck slower than Cybertruck?
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
BTW Time or YS, what happened to the 300,000 tow rating?
It is in the same place as the F150 pulling 1,000,000 pounds and the Tundra pulling the space shuttle. These are limited exposition demonstrations not for consumer use. But you're not that dim to actually get pulled into this marketing hype so why do you repeatedly ask the question????
I don't think I've ever seen a 300,000 pound tow rating for the truck by anyone. I might be wrong. I did see where musk mentioned a 300,000 pound tow capacity. I would think it can tow at least 3 times that without difficulty. Heck, even a toyota has the capacity to tow the space shuttle. Ford pulled a million pound train. I would think the cybertruck has the capacity to do the same.
On edit. We may have to wait for real tow ratings on cybertruck but the only speculating on ratings is max 14000 pounds.
There is a video of the model x (that has a tow rating of around 5000 pounds) with the capacity to tow about 250,000 pounds out of a mine. I'm sure the cybertruck will be considerably more.
time2roll wrote:
BTW I would love to see that street rod go against a Tesla on the Nurburgring
Have Tesla even made it around the Ring without blowing up?
Last time I saw anything about the Ring and Tesla it was being put on a flat bed............twice! LMAO
![[image]](https://i.imgur.com/ZSfAX9ul.jpg)
"So far this week, one Tesla has recorded a very unofficial Nürburgring 7:23 lap time, versus a recorded lap time of 7:42 by the Taycan Turbo.Sep 19, 2019"
So that was more than two months ago. Sorry really hard to keep up with real progress at Tesla.
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
BTW Time or YS, what happened to the 300,000 tow rating?
It is in the same place as the F150 pulling 1,000,000 pounds and the Tundra pulling the space shuttle. These are limited exposition demonstrations not for consumer use. But you're not that dim to actually get pulled into this marketing hype so why do you repeatedly ask the question????
The difference is Ford and Toyota never stated that was the tow rating.
mich800 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
BTW Time or YS, what happened to the 300,000 tow rating?
It is in the same place as the F150 pulling 1,000,000 pounds and the Tundra pulling the space shuttle. These are limited exposition demonstrations not for consumer use. But you're not that dim to actually get pulled into this marketing hype so why do you repeatedly ask the question????
The difference is Ford and Toyota never stated that was the tow rating.
Neither did Tesla. The only tow rating numbers given by Tesla were max 14000 pounds. Elon tweeted something to the effect of 300,000 on twitter when someone asked about a tow capacity of 30,000 pounds. I think he was being way conservative at 300,000 pounds. Are you possibly getting those confused?
time2roll wrote:
There is a new search called google....
"So far this week, one Tesla has recorded a very unofficial Nürburgring 7:23 lap time, versus a recorded lap time of 7:42 by the Taycan Turbo.Sep 19, 2019"
So that was more than two months ago. Sorry really hard to keep up with real progress at Tesla.
My car turned a very unofficial 1/4 mile time of 4.00 seconds flat. Cool hu? LOL you fan bois are something!
Reisender wrote:
mich800 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
BTW Time or YS, what happened to the 300,000 tow rating?
It is in the same place as the F150 pulling 1,000,000 pounds and the Tundra pulling the space shuttle. These are limited exposition demonstrations not for consumer use. But you're not that dim to actually get pulled into this marketing hype so why do you repeatedly ask the question????
The difference is Ford and Toyota never stated that was the tow rating.
Neither did Tesla. The only tow rating numbers given by Tesla were max 14000 pounds. Elon tweeted something to the effect of 300,000 on twitter when someone asked about a tow capacity of 30,000 pounds. I think he was being way conservative at 300,000 pounds. Are you possibly getting those confused?
Ya he did.
Tusk wrote:
In a series of tweets on Tuesday night, Elon Musk provided a number of new details about the Tesla pickup truck. Among these is the massive electric vehicle's insane towing capacity of up to 300,000 pounds, or 150 tons.
Sorry fan boi but he did.
Reisender wrote:
Well, the GMC couldn't pull an 8000 pound trailer more than 200 miles. And it sucked at it. The thing should never have been legal to sell. Piece of junk. Sold it the day the warranty was up.
Maybe it knew you hated it, so it hated you back!
Reisender wrote:
Nope. They all stink (gas or diesel) and they are all noisy. It's just people get used to it. Drive electric for two weeks and then try and go back. That's why so many households that switch to an EV end up changing out the rest of the vehicles within a couple years. Your garage starts to smell like any other part of your house.
Oh. And on edit. They are also all gutless...unless they are REALLY LOUD AND STINKY... and then they are still slower.
What if I like loud and stinky? I even run Avgas with Klotz oil in my chainsaw and weed whipper so it smells like I'm on a turbo snowmachine up in the mountains when I'm doing yard work!
Yeah those cordless weed whippers and chainsaws are great too. I'd need $800 in spare batteries and a backpack to carry them around in just to get my yard work done some days!
* This post was edited 12/02/19 05:24pm by Grit dog *
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
My car turned a very unofficial 1/4 mile time of 4.00 seconds flat. Cool hu? LOL you fan bois are something!
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
time2roll wrote:
There is a new search called google....
"So far this week, one Tesla has recorded a very unofficial Nürburgring 7:23 lap time, versus a recorded lap time of 7:42 by the Taycan Turbo.Sep 19, 2019"
So that was more than two months ago. Sorry really hard to keep up with real progress at Tesla.
My car turned a very unofficial 1/4 mile time of 4.00 seconds flat. Cool hu? LOL you fan bois are something!
Let's see a slip from your old street rod...good lord. Now your old hot rod runs somewhere between pro stock and top fuel 1/4 miles?
What ever bud. Or it's not a street car.
Grit dog wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
time2roll wrote:
There is a new search called google....
"So far this week, one Tesla has recorded a very unofficial Nürburgring 7:23 lap time, versus a recorded lap time of 7:42 by the Taycan Turbo.Sep 19, 2019"
So that was more than two months ago. Sorry really hard to keep up with real progress at Tesla.
My car turned a very unofficial 1/4 mile time of 4.00 seconds flat. Cool hu? LOL you fan bois are something!
Let's see a slip from your old street rod...good lord. Now your old hot rod runs somewhere between pro stock and top fuel 1/4 miles?
What ever bud. Or it's not a street car.
Grit my "unofficial" time slip is as "unofficial" as Tusks Ring time. It's "unofficial"! LOL When Tusk comes up with an official time slip at the Ring, I will show you an "official" time slip..
Reisender wrote:
mich800 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
BTW Time or YS, what happened to the 300,000 tow rating?
It is in the same place as the F150 pulling 1,000,000 pounds and the Tundra pulling the space shuttle. These are limited exposition demonstrations not for consumer use. But you're not that dim to actually get pulled into this marketing hype so why do you repeatedly ask the question????
The difference is Ford and Toyota never stated that was the tow rating.
Neither did Tesla. The only tow rating numbers given by Tesla were max 14000 pounds. Elon tweeted something to the effect of 300,000 on twitter when someone asked about a tow capacity of 30,000 pounds. I think he was being way conservative at 300,000 pounds. Are you possibly getting those confused?
Unfortunately that is Elon's Achilles heal. He has a big mouth. Because that is exactly what he said. Also the reason he is not the cairman and cost them millions in fines. You may decide which versions of facts you choose to believe from him but that does not absolve him from just spouting off to stroke his ego or prop up the stock.
mich800 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
mich800 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
BTW Time or YS, what happened to the 300,000 tow rating?
It is in the same place as the F150 pulling 1,000,000 pounds and the Tundra pulling the space shuttle. These are limited exposition demonstrations not for consumer use. But you're not that dim to actually get pulled into this marketing hype so why do you repeatedly ask the question????
The difference is Ford and Toyota never stated that was the tow rating.
Neither did Tesla. The only tow rating numbers given by Tesla were max 14000 pounds. Elon tweeted something to the effect of 300,000 on twitter when someone asked about a tow capacity of 30,000 pounds. I think he was being way conservative at 300,000 pounds. Are you possibly getting those confused?
Unfortunately that is Elon's Achilles heal. He has a big mouth. Because that is exactly what he said. Also the reason he is not the cairman and cost them millions in fines. You may decide which versions of facts you choose to believe from him but that does not absolve him from just spouting off to stroke his ego or prop up the stock.
Nope. What he said was. "300,000". When the other tweeter asked if it would have a 30,000 pound tow capacity. No tow ratings were ever mentioned. Again. The cybertruck will easily have the capacity to to 300,000 and probably closer to a million pounds....just like the electric ford did.
Max tow rating speculation specs of the Tesla cybertruck are listed on the website as 14000 pounds. Also totally feasible.
Reisender wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
mich800 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
BTW Time or YS, what happened to the 300,000 tow rating?
It is in the same place as the F150 pulling 1,000,000 pounds and the Tundra pulling the space shuttle. These are limited exposition demonstrations not for consumer use. But you're not that dim to actually get pulled into this marketing hype so why do you repeatedly ask the question????
The difference is Ford and Toyota never stated that was the tow rating.
Neither did Tesla. The only tow rating numbers given by Tesla were max 14000 pounds. Elon tweeted something to the effect of 300,000 on twitter when someone asked about a tow capacity of 30,000 pounds. I think he was being way conservative at 300,000 pounds. Are you possibly getting those confused?
Unfortunately that is Elon's Achilles heal. He has a big mouth. Because that is exactly what he said. Also the reason he is not the cairman and cost them millions in fines. You may decide which versions of facts you choose to believe from him but that does not absolve him from just spouting off to stroke his ego or prop up the stock.
Nope. What he said was. "300,000". When the other tweeter asked if it would have a 30,000 pound tow capacity. No tow ratings were ever mentioned. Again. The cybertruck will easily have the capacity to to 300,000 and probably closer to a million pounds....just like the electric ford did.
Max tow rating speculation specs of the Tesla cybertruck are listed on the website as 14000 pounds. Also totally feasible.
No, exact quote from Elon "300,000 lb towing capacity"
How you interpret that anything other that what he said is beyond me.
Grit dog wrote:
What if I like loud and stinky? I even run Avgas with Klotz oil in my chainsaw and weed whipper so it smells like I'm on a turbo snowmachine up in the mountains when I'm doing yard work!
Yeah those cordless weed whippers and chainsaws are great too. I'd need $800 in spare batteries and a backpack to carry them around in just to get my yard work done some days!
mich800 wrote:
Unfortunately that is Elon's Achilles heal. He has a big mouth. Because that is exactly what he said. Also the reason he is not the cairman and cost them millions in fines. You may decide which versions of facts you choose to believe from him but that does not absolve him from just spouting off to stroke his ego or prop up the stock.
mich800 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
mich800 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
BTW Time or YS, what happened to the 300,000 tow rating?
It is in the same place as the F150 pulling 1,000,000 pounds and the Tundra pulling the space shuttle. These are limited exposition demonstrations not for consumer use. But you're not that dim to actually get pulled into this marketing hype so why do you repeatedly ask the question????
The difference is Ford and Toyota never stated that was the tow rating.
Neither did Tesla. The only tow rating numbers given by Tesla were max 14000 pounds. Elon tweeted something to the effect of 300,000 on twitter when someone asked about a tow capacity of 30,000 pounds. I think he was being way conservative at 300,000 pounds. Are you possibly getting those confused?
Unfortunately that is Elon's Achilles heal. He has a big mouth. Because that is exactly what he said. Also the reason he is not the cairman and cost them millions in fines. You may decide which versions of facts you choose to believe from him but that does not absolve him from just spouting off to stroke his ego or prop up the stock.
Nope. What he said was. "300,000". When the other tweeter asked if it would have a 30,000 pound tow capacity. No tow ratings were ever mentioned. Again. The cybertruck will easily have the capacity to to 300,000 and probably closer to a million pounds....just like the electric ford did.
Max tow rating speculation specs of the Tesla cybertruck are listed on the website as 14000 pounds. Also totally feasible.
No, exact quote from Elon "300,000 lb towing capacity"
How you interpret that anything other that what he said is beyond me.
Exactly. I have no doubt that it probably has at least three times that capacity. The ford F150 did in its demo last month. Why would you think the Tesla would be less. Airport mules tow more than that and they have 4 cylinder engines.
time2roll wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Unfortunately that is Elon's Achilles heal. He has a big mouth. Because that is exactly what he said. Also the reason he is not the cairman and cost them millions in fines. You may decide which versions of facts you choose to believe from him but that does not absolve him from just spouting off to stroke his ego or prop up the stock.
Take nothing from Elon as a fact and you will live better.
Not me, I trade Tesla on Elon's words.
That's where I got the money to buy the Cybertruck.
time2roll wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Unfortunately that is Elon's Achilles heal. He has a big mouth. Because that is exactly what he said. Also the reason he is not the cairman and cost them millions in fines. You may decide which versions of facts you choose to believe from him but that does not absolve him from just spouting off to stroke his ego or prop up the stock.
Take nothing from Elon as a fact and you will live better.
Like there will be a semi and cybertruck? ![[emoticon]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/blogger_img_proxy/AEn0k_vTgqKiSeY9OLma5gpdXzSVIQHHsX-aWHPQ6qIFjSBCg6CH609CiRKdKFQJYdEVMHGKVbd68TvitZgBk_9VR6ez-ihPSfCDH_2rUR272MZE_LqIblswhGg=s0-d "awink")
2021 F350 SRW Platinum short box 4x4.
B&W Companion
2008 Citation Platinum XL 34.5
Max tow rating speculation specs of the Tesla cybertruck are listed on the website as 14000 pounds. Also totally feasible.
Ya he did.
Tusk wrote:
In a series of tweets on Tuesday night, Elon Musk provided a number of new details about the Tesla pickup truck. Among these is the massive electric vehicle's insane towing capacity of up to 300,000 pounds, or 150 tons.
Sorry fan boi but he did.
Fan boi. See where he is quoted "towing capacity"? See that? Now open the link. Go on. Open it.
Now read what "towing capacity" is:
Curtmfg wrote:
What Is Towing Capacity?
Towing capacity is the maximum amount of weight your vehicle can tow when pulling a trailer. It is determined by the vehicle manufacturer and takes into account the GVWR, GAWR, GTW and more.
Now that we know what Tusk said and now that we know what "towing capacity" is, what happened to the 300,000 "towing capacity" Tusk said the cyber junk was going to have?
BTW court fans. "Pedo guy" (yep, Tusk said "pedo guy" too)is going to take Tusk to the cleaners for calling him a "pedo guy." Even though Tusk said he didn't "really mean the guy was a "pedo guy". LOL
This is going to be GREAT!
Only liars brag about how fast their cars are and won't even talk about them.
Your secret's safe with me buddy. You can admit you're a chronic full of __itter.
In the next five years we are going to see many cars,trucks,bikes,scooters coming out that will establish a whole new way to move around,tow and explore with clean energy and a lot less pollution.
Get used to it....go for it!!!!!
Range, recharge time, availability of on the road charge stations, etc
Hours long line up waiting for charger
More Teslas on the Road Meant Hours-Long Supercharger Lines Over Thanksgiving
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Nope. What he said was. "300,000". When the other tweeter asked if it would have a 30,000 pound tow capacity. No tow ratings were ever mentioned. Again. The cybertruck will easily have the capacity to to 300,000 and probably closer to a million pounds....just like the electric ford did.
Max tow rating speculation specs of the Tesla cybertruck are listed on the website as 14000 pounds. Also totally feasible.
Ya he did.
Tusk wrote:
In a series of tweets on Tuesday night, Elon Musk provided a number of new details about the Tesla pickup truck. Among these is the massive electric vehicle's insane towing capacity of up to 300,000 pounds, or 150 tons.
Sorry fan boi but he did.
Fan boi. See where he is quoted "towing capacity"? See that? Now open the link. Go on. Open it.
Now read what "towing capacity" is:
Curtmfg wrote:
What Is Towing Capacity?
Towing capacity is the maximum amount of weight your vehicle can tow when pulling a trailer. It is determined by the vehicle manufacturer and takes into account the GVWR, GAWR, GTW and more.
Now that we know what Tusk said and now that we know what "towing capacity" is, what happened to the 300,000 "towing capacity" Tusk said the cyber junk was going to have?
BTW court fans. "Pedo guy" (yep, Tusk said "pedo guy" too)is going to take Tusk to the cleaners for calling him a "pedo guy." Even though Tusk said he didn't "really mean the guy was a "pedo guy". LOL
This is going to be GREAT!
And none of it matters...
stsmark wrote:
Being a 40 year aviation guy the term for a rating like that is "draw bar pull" capacity.
Should edumacate the haters.
Maybe some example may help, I hope.
A single Toyota pick up pulled a Challenger shuttle when it's supposed to have a tow rating of only 7,000 to 5,000 lbs.
Haters can thank me later.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Sorry fan boi but he did.
Fan boi. See where he is quoted "towing capacity"? See that? Now open the link. Go on. Open it.
BTW court fans. "Pedo guy" (yep, Tusk said "pedo guy" too)is going to take Tusk to the cleaners for calling him a "pedo guy." Even though Tusk said he didn't "really mean the guy was a "pedo guy". LOL
This is going to be GREAT!
If you are calling others "fan boi" and you are posting non tow truck related matter, would that say you are a hater?
How about contributing something to the mechanics, electric, metallurgy, tow dynamics or car aerodynamics and drag coefficient?
Seriously, you are in the Bay Area and have problems with chargers?
A friend brings a Tesla to work all over Southern states and never once complained about charging stations.
And my daughter charges her Tesla X 99% at home when she manages her businesses and activities between Nevada and California.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
If you are calling others "fan boi" and you are posting non tow truck related matter...
Would be interesting how short this thread might be (and other EV/Tesla threads) if there was a quick search and delete for the name.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Sorry fan boi but he did.
Fan boi. See where he is quoted "towing capacity"? See that? Now open the link. Go on. Open it.
BTW court fans. "Pedo guy" (yep, Tusk said "pedo guy" too)is going to take Tusk to the cleaners for calling him a "pedo guy." Even though Tusk said he didn't "really mean the guy was a "pedo guy". LOL
This is going to be GREAT!
If you are calling others "fan boi" and you are posting non tow truck related matter, would that say you are a hater?
How about contributing something to the mechanics, electric, metallurgy, tow dynamics or car aerodynamics and drag coefficient?
LOL ok.
Fan Boi mag InsideEVs wrote:
Tesla cyber junk tows 286,000 pound less than promised, but that's ok.
Fan Boi mag InsidEVs wrote:
It will not tow nearly as much as Elon Tusk promised, but we are ok with that.
It looks like even the Fan Boi mag InsideEVs disagrees with you YS. You can read if for yourself here.
BTW, what's up with the wheel falling off on the cyber junk YS? Looks like another stage prop failure to me!
![[image]](https://i.imgur.com/LDhismdl.jpg)
Let the excuses begin!
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Seriously, you are in the Bay Area and have problems with chargers?
A friend brings a Tesla to work all over Southern states and never once complained about charging stations.
And my daughter charges her Tesla X 99% at home when she manages her businesses and activities between Nevada and California.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Sorry fan boi but he did.
Hey hater gal, this will get your underpants in a wad some more.
Tesla stocks is going up some more even if the stock market is in a meltdown (guess, why, the guy in the WH is abroad and opened his trap about expanding and prolonging his crazy trade war).
It's up because this investment wise guy says Tesla stocks is a "must own" going up to $423 as a lot of wise car guys are going crazy about Cybertruck.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Sorry fan boi but he did.
Hey hater gal, this will get your underpants in a wad some more.
Tesla stocks is going up some more even if the stock market is in a meltdown (guess, why, the guy in the WH is abroad and opened his trap about expanding and prolonging his crazy trade war).
It's up because this investment wise guy says Tesla stocks is a "must own" going up to $423 as a lot of wise car guys are going crazy about Cybertruck.
Hey fan boi. The stock is down YTD. Sorry. Funny? Stock is down for a growing company? Wonder why? LOL
Hey, here is some good news fan boi: I got a pic of the new "Sport Coupe" Tesla is putting out.
Over 1,000 miles on a charge. (no more pesky Thanksgiving waits)
0-60 in under a second.
Going to cost less that 20 grand!
Self flying AP option for less that 50 grand!
Put your 10K deposit down now before you get left out!
![[image]](https://i.imgur.com/HyG7YSUl.jpg)
And since Tusk says there is going to be 1,000,000 robotaxies by next year look what is coming out after the Sport Coupe!!!
![[image]](https://i.imgur.com/jJ52I9hl.jpg)
Pretty cool hu? Better invest!
Like arguing with yourself that the sky is blue.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Sorry fan boi but he did.
Hey hater gal, this will get your underpants in a wad some more.
Tesla stocks is going up some more even if the stock market is in a meltdown (guess, why, the guy in the WH is abroad and opened his trap about expanding and prolonging his crazy trade war).
It's up because this investment wise guy says Tesla stocks is a "must own" going up to $423 as a lot of wise car guys are going crazy about Cybertruck.
Hey fan boi. The stock is down YTD. Sorry. Funny? Stock is down for a growing company? Wonder why? LOL
Pretty cool hu? Better invest!
Sorry fan gal, your investment advisor is scamming you.
So don't leave your hate-fueled heckling job.
Anyways my ROI on Tesla to-date is 74% and still a little less than a month to go.
And I'm holding to $423 price target and into my reservation for Cybertruck.
You'll be needing a Depend if your wad can't hold on this news.
Jan 1 334, current trade 336.
Better fill your shorts.
fj12ryder wrote:
Just curious if you children are trying to get this thread shut down. This looks something you'd see on a 13 year old's Facebook page.
Yep!
Dan- Firefighter, Retired">, Shawn- Musician/Entrepreneur">, Zoe- Faithful Golden Retriever(RIP">), 2014 Ford F150 3.5 EcoboostMax Tow pkg, 2016 PrimeTime TracerAIR 255 w/4pt Equalizer and 5 Mtn. bikes and 2 Road bikes
bikendan wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Just curious if you children are trying to get this thread shut down. This looks something you'd see on a 13 year old's Facebook page.
Yep!
Actually, I was in 5th grade when this last happened. And there was no FB yet.
Naturally ended with a fist fight. My face got bloodied but you should have seen the other guy.
And my dad seeing me only asked one question: Who won?
* This post was edited 12/03/19 01:59pm by Yosemite Sam1 *
wilber1 wrote:
I access my pickup bed from the side a lot more than I do from the tailgate. I'm always lifting stuff in and out over the side and have a couple of fold flat step stools tucked in either side of the bed box to make the job easier. Always having to open the tailgate and crawl up to get things out of the front of the bed would be a real PITA. Aerodynamic maybe but not very practical.
With so many gadgets, maybe you can ask to customize to have the pick up bed slide out on voice command.
time2roll wrote:
Stock down for the year? I see flat to small gain.
Jan 1 334, current trade 336.
Better fill your shorts.
Dang, the haters, hecklers and shorts must have lost their shirts and pants big time!
Their loss my gain -- so sorry (actually, not!)
wilber1 wrote:
I access my pickup bed from the side a lot more than I do from the tailgate. I'm always lifting stuff in and out over the side and have a couple of fold flat step stools tucked in either side of the bed box to make the job easier. Always having to open the tailgate and crawl up to get things out of the front of the bed would be a real PITA. Aerodynamic maybe but not very practical.
time2roll wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
I access my pickup bed from the side a lot more than I do from the tailgate. I'm always lifting stuff in and out over the side and have a couple of fold flat step stools tucked in either side of the bed box to make the job easier. Always having to open the tailgate and crawl up to get things out of the front of the bed would be a real PITA. Aerodynamic maybe but not very practical.
Then it will be Rivian or F150 in the near term if you can tolerate and EV.
What's the timetable for electric F150?
I'm waiting for that one too.
time2roll wrote:
Stock down for the year? I see flat to small gain.
Jan 1 334, current trade 336.
Better fill your shorts.
Tesla 359.70 to todays 334.87. Yep, growing company!
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
bikendan wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Just curious if you children are trying to get this thread shut down. This looks something you'd see on a 13 year old's Facebook page.
Yep!
Actually, I was in 5th grade when this last happened. And there was no FB yet.
Naturally ended with a fist fight. My face got bloodied but you should have seen the other guy.
And my dad seeing me only asked one question: Who won?
fj12ryder wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
bikendan wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Just curious if you children are trying to get this thread shut down. This looks something you'd see on a 13 year old's Facebook page.
Yep!
Actually, I was in 5th grade when this last happened. And there was no FB yet.
Naturally ended with a fist fight. My face got bloodied but you should have seen the other guy.
And my dad seeing me only asked one question: Who won?
So, you've regressed to 5th grade? Maybe you could work at going beyond "Nyah, nyah, my truck's better than your truck", and move into a grownup-type discussion.
I am and I thank this forum for the Benjamin Button moment.
But you must have mistaken me for someone else. I don't own a truck yet and therefore not in that exercise.
I am the one with the ill-gotten wealth from Tesla stocks waiting for their notice that I can already pick up my Cybertruck. And then maybe, I can then participate in their nah, nah, nah...thingy.
Now, try to read, remember and keep up before you open your trap, will yah?
Screw buying stock in the cyber truck, I'm buying stock in whoever makes those stupid wheels or hubcaps!
You and your buddy are going to be rich!
why-tesla-will-go-bankrupt-in-2019
Why no posts from the rest of your buddies?
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I am and I thank this forum for the Benjamin Button moment.
But you must have mistaken me for someone else. I don't own a truck yet and therefore not in that exercise.
I am the one with the ill-gotten wealth from Tesla stocks waiting for their notice that I can already pick up my Cybertruck. And then maybe, I can then participate in their nah, nah, nah...thingy.
Now, try to read, remember and keep up before you open your trap, will yah?
fj12ryder wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I am and I thank this forum for the Benjamin Button moment.
But you must have mistaken me for someone else. I don't own a truck yet and therefore not in that exercise.
I am the one with the ill-gotten wealth from Tesla stocks waiting for their notice that I can already pick up my Cybertruck. And then maybe, I can then participate in their nah, nah, nah...thingy.
Now, try to read, remember and keep up before you open your trap, will yah?
Actually I have no idea what you own, or anything about you because I simply don't keep track. I merely commented on the last couple of really juvenile posts. Sorry, you just don't register on my radar.
No problem. We are here trying to have fun and cure our claustrophobia being coop in the house with this nasty winter.
Keep on hitting -- and often.
time2roll wrote:
28 days to BK. Your shorts should be paying off very soon.
You and your buddy are going to be rich!
why-tesla-will-go-bankrupt-in-2019
Why no posts from the rest of your buddies?
Maybe it's the shorts who already went bankrupt and now just shooting blanks.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Maybe it's the shorts who already went bankrupt and now just shooting blanks.
Quote:
Cybertruck's polarizing design isn't an accident. It's a manifestation of the 4 fundamental needs the vehicle was engineered to meet. Tesla has succeeded on all fronts. This has HUGE implications for the company and its mission, and the future of automotive design and manufacture. As a Tesla shareholder, I'm very excited for the future.
Cybertruck had to be:
1. Low Cost (to make, and sell)
2. Function/Performance
3. Efficient
4. Safe
It is all of these things and no other automaker can compete on ALL four of these -- unless they copy everything. This is REALLY important to understand as a long-term investor.
Cybertruck is Engineering Genius
time2roll wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Maybe it's the shorts who already went bankrupt and now just shooting blanks.
Turtle's buddy Mike Guy seems to be staying under the radar with very little written and nothing more on Tesla or EVs.
I don't quite get when they bother when they have nothing of substance to say -- unless they see heckling as substantive.
8.1 Van wrote:
Quote:
Cybertruck's polarizing design isn't an accident. It's a manifestation of the 4 fundamental needs the vehicle was engineered to meet. Tesla has succeeded on all fronts. This has HUGE implications for the company and its mission, and the future of automotive design and manufacture. As a Tesla shareholder, I'm very excited for the future.
Cybertruck had to be:
1. Low Cost (to make, and sell)
2. Function/Performance
3. Efficient
4. Safe
It is all of these things and no other automaker can compete on ALL four of these -- unless they copy everything. This is REALLY important to understand as a long-term investor.
Cybertruck is Engineering Genius
Must be what the design engineers, car guys and the institutional investors saw for their declaration that Tesla is "must own' stock.
I don't know how long I'll hold on to the stocks, but I'm a little more definite on the Cybertruck as a "must own", lol.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
I access my pickup bed from the side a lot more than I do from the tailgate. I'm always lifting stuff in and out over the side and have a couple of fold flat step stools tucked in either side of the bed box to make the job easier. Always having to open the tailgate and crawl up to get things out of the front of the bed would be a real PITA. Aerodynamic maybe but not very practical.
With so many gadgets, maybe you can ask to customize to have the pick up bed slide out on voice command.
So that gets you high enough to reach over the side but how long will your arms need to be to reach the bottom of the bed when you get there?
I have an aluminum bed box behind the cab. If I need anything from it, I just whip out one of my folding stools and I can reach right down into the bottom of it from over the side, with the Tesla you will have to open the tailgate and climb over whatever else you have back there just to access the bed box.
* This post was edited 12/04/19 08:08am by wilber1 *
wilber1 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
I access my pickup bed from the side a lot more than I do from the tailgate. I'm always lifting stuff in and out over the side and have a couple of fold flat step stools tucked in either side of the bed box to make the job easier. Always having to open the tailgate and crawl up to get things out of the front of the bed would be a real PITA. Aerodynamic maybe but not very practical.
With so many gadgets, maybe you can ask to customize to have the pick up bed slide out on voice command.
So that gets you high enough to reach over the side but how long will your arms need to be to reach the bottom of the bed when you get there?
I have an aluminum bed box behind the cab. If I need anything from it, I just whip out one of my folding stools and I can reach right down into the bottom of it from over the side, with the Tesla you will have to open the tailgate and climb over whatever else you have back there just to access the bed box.
Doesn't Honda have already a box that is "similar" to the cyber truck.
tomman58 wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
I access my pickup bed from the side a lot more than I do from the tailgate. I'm always lifting stuff in and out over the side and have a couple of fold flat step stools tucked in either side of the bed box to make the job easier. Always having to open the tailgate and crawl up to get things out of the front of the bed would be a real PITA. Aerodynamic maybe but not very practical.
With so many gadgets, maybe you can ask to customize to have the pick up bed slide out on voice command.
So that gets you high enough to reach over the side but how long will your arms need to be to reach the bottom of the bed when you get there?
I have an aluminum bed box behind the cab. If I need anything from it, I just whip out one of my folding stools and I can reach right down into the bottom of it from over the side, with the Tesla you will have to open the tailgate and climb over whatever else you have back there just to access the bed box.
Doesn't Honda have already a box that is "similar" to the cyber truck.
The early ones did, now they have conventional beds. Is there a message there?
p220sigman wrote:
Might be wrong, but I think the Ridgeline still has an in-bed box.
The 2020 has a conventional bed with a gap between cab and bed just like other pickups.
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don't see a "real pickup" as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a "real pickup" being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
Reisender wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don't see a "real pickup" as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a "real pickup" being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
Just like the 2004 and 2005 Envoy XUV!
Also, I am scheduling the installation of a super charger between the hay and wheat fields, and the barns. Would hate to run out of energy when towing 12k of wagons.
Dadoffourgirls wrote:
Reisender wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don't see a "real pickup" as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a "real pickup" being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
Just like the 2004 and 2005 Envoy XUV!
Also, I am scheduling the installation of a super charger between the hay and wheat fields, and the barns. Would hate to run out of energy when towing 12k of wagons.
I don't follow. Why would one install a Supercharger at home.
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
Seriously, have you seen the specs and capabilities of Cybertruck compared side-by-side with El Camino?
By your logic, would not that mean that the F150s, Rams, etc. that never gets deployed on a work job or farm are also not "real pick up"?
Reisender wrote:
I don't follow. Why would one install a Supercharger at home.
And if there are mega-chargers, would that make unnecessary their plans on quick battery exchange (10 minutes in their estimation at $50 a pop).
Reisender wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don't see a "real pickup" as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a "real pickup" being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
Seriously, have you seen the specs and capabilities of Cybertruck compared side-by-side with El Camino?
By your logic, would not that mean that the F150s, Rams, etc. that never gets deployed on a work job or farm are also not "real pick up"?
wilber1 wrote:
p220sigman wrote:
Might be wrong, but I think the Ridgeline still has an in-bed box.
The 2020 has a conventional bed with a gap between cab and bed just like other pickups.
Ok. I haven't see a 2020 yet, but everything I have read said no significant changes. It will be interesting if they move to a conventional bed since the people I know that own one really like the in-bed storage.
fj12ryder wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
Seriously, have you seen the specs and capabilities of Cybertruck compared side-by-side with El Camino?
By your logic, would not that mean that the F150s, Rams, etc. that never gets deployed on a work job or farm are also not "real pick up"?
Seriously have you seen the "Cybertruck" perform side-by-side with an El Camino? When you have please report back. Paper figures are just that, and anybody can put anything on paper.
Seriously, when did you see that paper figures, almost always conservative, did not hold or even exceeded by actual performance?
fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don't see a "real pickup" as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a "real pickup" being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
I have no idea what the industry is going. But large fifth wheels are a small part of the RV industry where we live. No idea anywhere else. Most people want to go weekend camping at the local lakes where we live. Most common truck is an F150 or equivalent.
Bedlam wrote:
Because some people's work day does not allow for overnight trickle charging between discharges?
Overnight trickle charging (level one 120 volt) is adequate for commuters. But farm use of an F150 type cyber truck would be better suited to using the supplied EVSE (HPWC) or a clipper creek 80 amp 240 EVSE unit etc. This is assuming the farm has power of course. Probably considerably cheaper than having fuel delivered to the farm. My guess Tesla will either have the 72 amp single or dual 40 amp chargers from the model S in the cybertruck.
Uh, is that even a serious question? A better question would be "When did you see that paper figures, almost always conservative, actually did match actual performance?"
It's been my experience that copy writers and engineers rarely converse before the marketers start writing their copy.
Reisender wrote:
...
I have no idea what the industry is going. But large fifth wheels are a small part of the RV industry where we live. No idea anywhere else. Most people want to go weekend camping at the local lakes where we live. Most common truck is an F150 or equivalent.
Probably sticking the acronym "IMO" in front of statements like "Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years." would be a good idea.
That would let everyone know that it's not a fact-based statement, but only your opinion.
fj12ryder wrote:
"Seriously, when did you see that paper figures, almost always conservative, did not hold or even exceeded by actual performance?"
Uh, is that even a serious question? A better question would be "When did you see that paper figures, almost always conservative, actually did match actual performance?"
It's been my experience that copy writers and engineers rarely converse before the marketers start writing their copy.
You seem to have a knack on telling people what to ask or post or structure a sentence?
Are you a professor because I don't see you name signing a check as my boss, lol.
And you, I don't know why you also want to substitute your experience and observations with ours.
Yes, I worked for a global marketer, we bring the scientists, lawyers and marketers in one room to see to it that what represent as features and attributes are accurate -- the marketers and advertising people put in the hype but not untruth hyperbole.
fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
...
I have no idea what the industry is going. But large fifth wheels are a small part of the RV industry where we live. No idea anywhere else. Most people want to go weekend camping at the local lakes where we live. Most common truck is an F150 or equivalent.
Making sweeping statements on what direction the industry is headed by basing your experience on local conditions, is probably not very accurate.
Probably sticking the acronym "IMO" in front of statements like "Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years." would be a good idea.
That would let everyone know that it's not a fact-based statement, but only your opinion.
Fair enough. Point taken.
p220sigman wrote:
wilber1 wrote:
p220sigman wrote:
Might be wrong, but I think the Ridgeline still has an in-bed box.
The 2020 has a conventional bed with a gap between cab and bed just like other pickups.
Ok. I haven't see a 2020 yet, but everything I have read said no significant changes. It will be interesting if they move to a conventional bed since the people I know that own one really like the in-bed storage.
My only comment about in bed storage was the difficulty of getting at things in the front over sloping side rails extending from the roof of the cab. I don't really know anything about their in bed storage. I was referring to the bed being integral with the cab on older Ridgelines. The new ones have a separate bed like other pickups so they can flex in the middle when carrying heavy loads.
Maybe within those +2 years (maybe less if Tusk cracks the whip harder) folks will understand towing heavy with EV/BEV's isn't going to work until energy storage & charge systems gets better...much better
Roadandtrack Why Electric Cars Aren't Yet Great for Towing
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time2roll wrote:
What happens if I don't ever tow anything like most truck owners?
You will live happily ever after.
But meanwhile, for the next two years, you should worry to death that your future Cybertruck will have a loss of 60% of its range in case you are planning to use it for towing.
fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
...
I have no idea what the industry is going. But large fifth wheels are a small part of the RV industry where we live. No idea anywhere else. Most people want to go weekend camping at the local lakes where we live. Most common truck is an F150 or equivalent.
Making sweeping statements on what direction the industry is headed by basing your experience on local conditions, is probably not very accurate.
Probably sticking the acronym "IMO" in front of statements like "Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years." would be a good idea.
That would let everyone know that it's not a fact-based statement, but only your opinion.
Not hard to find production of RV's is down.
That doesn't even take into account that RV "sales" posted by the industry are the "sales" made to the dealers where they then sit on the lot waiting for a true "sale" to an actual consumer.
fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don't see a "real pickup" as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a "real pickup" being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
Also
Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any load
fj12ryder wrote:
Seriously, have you seen the specs and capabilities of Cybertruck compared side-by-side with El Camino?
Are we comparing a vehicle that has been out of production for a long time to one that has never been in production?
free radical wrote:
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
I think we should call "trump" on that. Even MT there is flex in the frame that will let the cab/bed gap change. I have not looked under one for a long time, but I bet if you do you will see the engine/transmission is mounted at 3 points, not 4. This is so the parts that must be rigid can move in relation to frame, let the frame flex. This also is why body on frame can haul a higher percentage of MT weight than unibody. The change to stainless might change that.
JRscooby wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Seriously, have you seen the specs and capabilities of Cybertruck compared side-by-side with El Camino?
Are we comparing a vehicle that has been out of production for a long time to one that has never been in production?
But a good point made.
free radical wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don't see a "real pickup" as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a "real pickup" being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
Also
Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any load
fj12ryder wrote:
free radical wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don't see a "real pickup" as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a "real pickup" being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
Also
Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any load
So you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR!
Yah. Completely different company.
The Cybertruck shown at the reveal really was a concept vehicle. The designer said it was using five lug Model X suspension even though the hubcaps showed six. Plus it did not have the sub structure of the production model.
They have some interesting challenges engineering wise as from my experience with aircraft I've seen firsthand that stainless does not play well with a lot of other materials from a galvanic corrosion side. Plus the idea that they're going to score and fold the skin then stress it could cause cracking issues over time. We'll see in a few years.
fj12ryder wrote:
free radical wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don't see a "real pickup" as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a "real pickup" being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
Also
Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any load
So you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR!
Did you say that NASA images and videos from satellites are fake ?
8.1 Van wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
So you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR!
Did you say that NASA images and videos from satellites are fake ?
Reisender wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
free radical wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don't see a "real pickup" as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a "real pickup" being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
Also
Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any load
So you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR!
Yah. Completely different company.
Actually they have inter-company cross-support. My son when he worked for Tesla would have Space X and Solar City sitting with them in the meetings.
Tesla and Solar City would even have package for home charging with roof panels. This technology complementation will good for us in case we live and love the boondocks and planning to be totally off grid.
fj12ryder wrote:
free radical wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don't see a "real pickup" as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a "real pickup" being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
Also
Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any load
So you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR!
That's a step-down in technology really.
Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range.
* This post was edited 12/05/19 11:32am by Yosemite Sam1 *
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
free radical wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Reisender wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.
I don't see a "real pickup" as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a "real pickup" being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.
Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.
And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.
My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
Also
Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any load
So you're saying the same engineers who design rockets are designing the Teslas pickup? I would think: "Not likely", after all designing cars isn't rocket science. HAR!
That's a step-down in technology really.
Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range.
Electric motors can move almost anything. The problem is. battery technology isn't up to the task of containing enough energy to move it very far under high load conditions.
Tesla is claiming a range of up to 500 miles but the truck isn't being sold yet. Mercedes is only claiming 250 miles for theirs. They will be short haul until batteries improve.
Model X or Cybertruck, it takes the same amount of energy to move the same weight the same distance.
* This post was edited 12/05/19 12:12pm by wilber1 *
All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples.
Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking.
fj12ryder wrote:
"Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range."
All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples.
Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking.
Our wishful thinking has at least some basis. This is the same techies called disruptors who moved the needle on EV from 30-mile range into 300. The same people who can make your home in the boondocks totally off-grid and not dependent on polluting carbon-based energy. The same people who revolutionized rocket science with reusable space vehicle and managed to have a rocket landing on a barge (analogy is that of threading a needle from 10 floors up on a gale).
So what do you have as basis other than ignorant heckling?
. From what I have heard Tesla puts out the most conservative and accurate ratings of anybody. They generally hit the predicted range if you drive with traffic.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
"Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range."
All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples.
Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking.
Our wishful thinking has at least some basis. This is the same techies called disruptors who moved the needle on EV from 30-mile range into 300. The same people who can make your home in the boondocks totally off-grid and not dependent on polluting carbon-based energy. The same people who revolutionized rocket science with reusable space vehicle and managed to have a rocket landing on a barge (analogy is that of threading a needle from 10 floors up on a gale).
So what do you have as basis other than ignorant heckling?
fj12ryder wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
"Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range."
All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples.
Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking.
Our wishful thinking has at least some basis. This is the same techies called disruptors who moved the needle on EV from 30-mile range into 300. The same people who can make your home in the boondocks totally off-grid and not dependent on polluting carbon-based energy. The same people who revolutionized rocket science with reusable space vehicle and managed to have a rocket landing on a barge (analogy is that of threading a needle from 10 floors up on a gale).
So what do you have as basis other than ignorant heckling?
I don't mean to heckle, but you keep putting out this speculative verbiage as if it were a fact. I merely keep pointing out that it isn't a fact yet, it may be someday, but not right now. If you'll quit citing this stuff as facts, and not conjecture, I'll stop "heckling".
Cannot debate wishful thinking. Especially when they claim there is actually a semi in existence that has over 500 miles much less to a single charge.
Groover wrote:
"Tesla is claiming a range of up to 500 miles but the truck isn't being sold yet. Mercedes is only claiming 250 miles for theirs. They will be short haul until batteries improve.
From what I have heard Tesla puts out the most conservative and accurate ratings of anybody. They generally hit the predicted range if you drive with traffic.
Will depend on the load. Energy out must equal energy in plus losses. The batteries are the limiting factor. Just physics.
fj12ryder wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
"Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range."
All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples.
Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking.
Our wishful thinking has at least some basis. This is the same techies called disruptors who moved the needle on EV from 30-mile range into 300. The same people who can make your home in the boondocks totally off-grid and not dependent on polluting carbon-based energy. The same people who revolutionized rocket science with reusable space vehicle and managed to have a rocket landing on a barge (analogy is that of threading a needle from 10 floors up on a gale).
So what do you have as basis other than ignorant heckling?
I don't mean to heckle, but you keep putting out this speculative verbiage as if it were a fact. I merely keep pointing out that it isn't a fact yet, it may be someday, but not right now. If you'll quit citing this stuff as facts, and not conjecture, I'll stop "heckling".
Yes, but will it be too much to ask for a little more brain cells into your posts a support to your argument a "linear regression of battery technology to explain why EVs can't extend anymore range or cannot tow long range"?
At least provide a cerebral counter-argument to those who have almost done a thesis on the realities of exponential progression on technologies of electric vehicles.
* This post was last edited 12/05/19 09:12pm by Yosemite Sam1 *
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
"Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range."
All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples.
Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking.
Our wishful thinking has at least some basis. This is the same techies called disruptors who moved the needle on EV from 30-mile range into 300. The same people who can make your home in the boondocks totally off-grid and not dependent on polluting carbon-based energy. The same people who revolutionized rocket science with reusable space vehicle and managed to have a rocket landing on a barge (analogy is that of threading a needle from 10 floors up on a gale).
So what do you have as basis other than ignorant heckling?
I don't mean to heckle, but you keep putting out this speculative verbiage as if it were a fact. I merely keep pointing out that it isn't a fact yet, it may be someday, but not right now. If you'll quit citing this stuff as facts, and not conjecture, I'll stop "heckling".
Yes, but will it be too much to ask for a little more brain cells into your posts a support to your argument a "linear regression of battery technology to explain why EVs can't extend anymore range or cannot tow long range"?
At least provide a cerebral counter-argument to those who have almost done a thesis on the realities of exponential progression on technologies of electric vehicles.
fj12ryder wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
"Reason I find it so ridiculous when skeptics are speculating Cybertruck's power drain based on Tesla X -- I'm about the scream, dude, there are already semis out there pulling 80,000 pounds and getting 500 miles range."
All I want after reading this is physical proof. Not that picture from a year ago with the semi sitting there with concrete barriers on it. I want to see an actual weight scale ticket and proof of mileage. And maybe even a new semi instead of those two old, tired examples.
Until then it's all just so much wishful thinking.
Our wishful thinking has at least some basis. This is the same techies called disruptors who moved the needle on EV from 30-mile range into 300. The same people who can make your home in the boondocks totally off-grid and not dependent on polluting carbon-based energy. The same people who revolutionized rocket science with reusable space vehicle and managed to have a rocket landing on a barge (analogy is that of threading a needle from 10 floors up on a gale).
So what do you have as basis other than ignorant heckling?
I don't mean to heckle, but you keep putting out this speculative verbiage as if it were a fact. I merely keep pointing out that it isn't a fact yet, it may be someday, but not right now. If you'll quit citing this stuff as facts, and not conjecture, I'll stop "heckling".
Yes, but will it be too much to ask for a little more brain cells into your posts a support to your argument a "linear regression of battery technology to explain why EVs can't extend anymore range or cannot tow long range"?
At least provide a cerebral counter-argument to those who have almost done a thesis on the realities of exponential progression on technologies of electric vehicles.
I give up, you don't read, or maybe you read but don't comprehend. Either way, it's just a waste of electrons. Thesis, riiiiiight.
I accept your terms of surrender!
So again, think before you open your trap. Think of the children. You either add to their knowledge or contribute to their ignorance.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
BTW court fans. "Pedo guy" (yep, Tusk said "pedo guy" too)is going to take Tusk to the cleaners for calling him a "pedo guy." Even though Tusk said he didn't "really mean the guy was a "pedo guy". LOL
This is going to be GREAT!
Tesla Inc boss Elon Musk wins defamation trial over 'pedo guy' tweet
How is that TESLA BK shaping up? Stock at 335 today.
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
BTW court fans. "Pedo guy" (yep, Tusk said "pedo guy" too)is going to take Tusk to the cleaners for calling him a "pedo guy." Even though Tusk said he didn't "really mean the guy was a "pedo guy". LOL
This is going to be GREAT!
That is another Turtle prediction to fall the other way.
Tesla Inc boss Elon Musk wins defamation trial over 'pedo guy' tweet
How is that TESLA BK shaping up? Stock at 335 today.
And price target of $450 to $500.
Guess why? The "anticipated success of Cybertruck."
Dang fan bois are hyping it!
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Equalizer E4 1200/12000
lbrjet wrote:
I believe it is just a marketing stunt and will never be built. Gotta give Elon credit for creating a buzz, and then banking then some quick cash to boot. Waiting for the slam, Sam.
No slam. But curious why you think this model will be different than the model S, the model X, the model 3 and the model Y which is now in pre-production. Tesla's track record is pretty solid at this point. Not always on time but pretty solid.
Just curious.
lbrjet wrote:
I believe it is just a marketing stunt and will never be built. Gotta give Elon credit for creating a buzz, and then banking then some quick cash to boot. Waiting for the slam, Sam.
Did it ever happen where Musk promised a Tesla model and ended up never built?
There is a difference between skepticism and mental case delusional.
Tesla wrote about each model on that page:
Single Motor RWD: "Fully refundable. You will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in late 2021. Single Motor RWD production is expected to begin in late 2022."
Dual Motor AWD: "Fully refundable. You will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in late 2021. Dual Motor AWD production is expected in late 2021."
Tri Motor AWD: "Fully refundable. You will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in late 2021. Tri Motor AWD production is expected in late 2021."
https://electrek.co/2019/12/06/tesla-cyb........truck-production-timeline-update-orders/
and wow... 250,000+ preorders
time2roll wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
BTW court fans. "Pedo guy" (yep, Tusk said "pedo guy" too)is going to take Tusk to the cleaners for calling him a "pedo guy." Even though Tusk said he didn't "really mean the guy was a "pedo guy". LOL
This is going to be GREAT!
That is another Turtle prediction to fall the other way.
Tesla Inc boss Elon Musk wins defamation trial over 'pedo guy' tweet
How is that TESLA BK shaping up? Stock at 335 today.
Not too bad with Tesla on course for LOSING over a BILLION dollars this year!
Remember when Lying Elon said "going foward............"
So how much money is Tesla going to make this Qt?
What about Q1 or next year?
As I said before... ignore most of what Elon says and you will live better.
You seem to hang your hat on every word like a real follower. Need to get over that.
time2roll wrote:
Most recent timeline for CyberTruck build:
Tesla wrote about each model on that page:
Single Motor RWD: "Fully refundable. You will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in late 2021. Single Motor RWD production is expected to begin in late 2022."
Dual Motor AWD: "Fully refundable. You will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in late 2021. Dual Motor AWD production is expected in late 2021."
Tri Motor AWD: "Fully refundable. You will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in late 2021. Tri Motor AWD production is expected in late 2021."
https://electrek.co/2019/12/06/tesla-cyb........truck-production-timeline-update-orders/
and wow... 250,000+ preorders
time2roll wrote:
GAAP net income? Doubtful IMO. Possible to be minimal positive cashflow. Too many new projects ramping up to really tell. Sales in China from the giga3 is the big unknown.
As I said before... ignore most of what Elon says and you will live better.
You seem to hang your hat on every word like a real follower. Need to get over that.
Elon has been accused of making statements that change the stock price of his company.
There is another that can make statements, run most of the market up and down at will.
time2roll wrote:
Most recent timeline for CyberTruck build:
Tesla wrote about each model on that page:
Single Motor RWD: "Fully refundable. You will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in late 2021. Single Motor RWD production is expected to begin in late 2022."
Dual Motor AWD: "Fully refundable. You will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in late 2021. Dual Motor AWD production is expected in late 2021."
Tri Motor AWD: "Fully refundable. You will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in late 2021. Tri Motor AWD production is expected in late 2021."
https://electrek.co/2019/12/06/tesla-cyb........truck-production-timeline-update-orders/
and wow... 250,000+ preorders
I thought we should just ignore Elon's statements/predictions?
Maybe one of those Tesla wishful thinkings facts we hear so much about.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
lbrjet wrote:
I believe it is just a marketing stunt and will never be built. Gotta give Elon credit for creating a buzz, and then banking then some quick cash to boot. Waiting for the slam, Sam.
Did it ever happen where Musk promised a Tesla model and ended up never built?
There is a difference between skepticism and mental case delusional.
You certainly are predictable. You sound like a little boy who got his toy taken away in the sandbox.
I haven't seen a Semi on the road yet.
Reisender wrote:
lbrjet wrote:
I believe it is just a marketing stunt and will never be built. Gotta give Elon credit for creating a buzz, and then banking then some quick cash to boot. Waiting for the slam, Sam.
No slam. But curious why you think this model will be different than the model S, the model X, the model 3 and the model Y which is now in pre-production. Tesla's track record is pretty solid at this point. Not always on time but pretty solid.
Just curious.
Gut feeling. As you know I have no dog in this fight and like EV technology, including Tesla's contribution which is propelling the industry as a whole forwards.
mich800 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Most recent timeline for CyberTruck build:
Tesla wrote about each model on that page:
Single Motor RWD: "Fully refundable. You will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in late 2021. Single Motor RWD production is expected to begin in late 2022."
Dual Motor AWD: "Fully refundable. You will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in late 2021. Dual Motor AWD production is expected in late 2021."
Tri Motor AWD: "Fully refundable. You will be able to complete your configuration as production nears in late 2021. Tri Motor AWD production is expected in late 2021."
https://electrek.co/2019/12/06/tesla-cyb........truck-production-timeline-update-orders/
and wow... 250,000+ preorders
I thought we should just ignore Elon's statements/predictions?
Maybe one of those Tesla wishful thinkings facts we hear so much about.
Just wanted to make a note for Turtle. Keeps repeatedly asking for this stuff so he can discredit Tesla and fill his shorts with profit.
JRscooby wrote:
time2roll wrote:
GAAP net income? Doubtful IMO. Possible to be minimal positive cashflow. Too many new projects ramping up to really tell. Sales in China from the giga3 is the big unknown.
As I said before... ignore most of what Elon says and you will live better.
You seem to hang your hat on every word like a real follower. Need to get over that.
Elon has been accused of making statements that change the stock price of his company.
There is another that can make statements, run most of the market up and down at will.
time2roll wrote:
JRscooby wrote:
time2roll wrote:
GAAP net income? Doubtful IMO. Possible to be minimal positive cashflow. Too many new projects ramping up to really tell. Sales in China from the giga3 is the big unknown.
As I said before... ignore most of what Elon says and you will live better.
You seem to hang your hat on every word like a real follower. Need to get over that.
Elon has been accused of making statements that change the stock price of his company.
There is another that can make statements, run most of the market up and down at will.
JMHO Elon is just disgruntled with the volume of short sellers. No one likes to be so heavily bet against. Not quite the same as pumping the stock to facilitate selling at a high inflated price. To my knowledge Elon has purchased more along the way, not sold.
And short-sellers have been severely burned.
Not so many of them left.
Hold and buy some more here with recent upgrades to price target of $450 to $500 with market and car industry optimism on Cybertruck.
lbrjet wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
lbrjet wrote:
I believe it is just a marketing stunt and will never be built. Gotta give Elon credit for creating a buzz, and then banking then some quick cash to boot. Waiting for the slam, Sam.
Did it ever happen where Musk promised a Tesla model and ended up never built?
There is a difference between skepticism and mental case delusional.
You certainly are predictable. You sound like a little boy who got his toy taken away in the sandbox.
I haven't seen a Semi on the road yet.
Yeah, what are the chances?
I have not seen a Rolls Royce Sweptails either and there are already 12 of them out there.
But fret not, tweet Elon to send one to pass by your house.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
And short-sellers have been severely burned.
Not so many of them left.
Hold and buy some more here with recent upgrades to price target of $450 to $500 with market and car industry optimism on Cybertruck.
Not looking a Tesla, would like to point out that another can make a statement, the market go up. Next day another statement, market drop. Repeat often. If people think somebody is making false statements to change the value of his company many start squealing like a pig stuck under a gate, begging he pay big fine. The other? Don't you even look to see if that fist is only to wrist or shoulder.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
lbrjet wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
lbrjet wrote:
I believe it is just a marketing stunt and will never be built. Gotta give Elon credit for creating a buzz, and then banking then some quick cash to boot. Waiting for the slam, Sam.
Did it ever happen where Musk promised a Tesla model and ended up never built?
There is a difference between skepticism and mental case delusional.
You certainly are predictable. You sound like a little boy who got his toy taken away in the sandbox.
I haven't seen a Semi on the road yet.
Yeah, what are the chances?
I have not seen a Rolls Royce Sweptails either and there are already 12 of them out there.
But fret not, tweet Elon to send one to pass by your house.
Zero to none since there no Tesla semi's traversing the country. At least there is chance of spotting that elusiive Rolls.
time2roll wrote:
Semi is still slated for production. Has not been cancelled.
Tesla is accepting reservations on it's website and the reporter who photographed it charging and another loaded and most likely on test run is not delusional.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Semi is still slated for production. Has not been cancelled.
Tesla is accepting reservations on it's website and the reporter who photographed it charging and another loaded and most likely on test run is not delusional.
Just out of curiosity. When and where? Is this the same recycled pic from a year ago. I have not seen any evidence of testing from the recent past.
mich800 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Semi is still slated for production. Has not been cancelled.
Tesla is accepting reservations on it's website and the reporter who photographed it charging and another loaded and most likely on test run is not delusional.
Just out of curiosity. When and where? Is this the same recycled pic from a year ago. I have not seen any evidence of testing from the recent past.
I'm sure Elon is dying to show you one should you plant your b@tt in the steps of Tesla factory in Fremont just to allay your skepticism and convince you to make your own reservation.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Semi is still slated for production. Has not been cancelled.
Tesla is accepting reservations on it's website and the reporter who photographed it charging and another loaded and most likely on test run is not delusional.
Just out of curiosity. When and where? Is this the same recycled pic from a year ago. I have not seen any evidence of testing from the recent past.
I'm sure Elon is dying to show you one should you plant your b@tt in the steps of Tesla factory in Fremont just to allay your skepticism and convince you to make your own reservation.
mich800 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Semi is still slated for production. Has not been cancelled.
Tesla is accepting reservations on it's website and the reporter who photographed it charging and another loaded and most likely on test run is not delusional.
Just out of curiosity. When and where? Is this the same recycled pic from a year ago. I have not seen any evidence of testing from the recent past.
I'm sure Elon is dying to show you one should you plant your b@tt in the steps of Tesla factory in Fremont just to allay your skepticism and convince you to make your own reservation.
I'm not up on the actual projected timeline but I think it was pushed to end 2020 for limited production. Battery capacity is probably the big hold up. Model Y production now moved up to end first quarter. Model 3 European demand still strong. Grid Superpack and power wall demand growing. Giga one isn't at max production yet but it is getting close. I'm not sure what the answer is. They also had to send packs to Giga 3 in Shanghai for the first few thousand MIC model 3's. But they will use those up quick now as they received their sales permit from the Chinese goverment on Friday. They are building about 110 cars per shift right now in China but will be adding a second shift soon and then a third. They'll go thru the stored up packs quick. Then they will be building packs right in Giga three. Bottom line there is just not enough battery capacity to cover a large amount of Semis right now. You can build 7 or 10 model 3's with the cells from one semi.
There are videos of the semi in the wild on YouTube.
Reisender wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Semi is still slated for production. Has not been cancelled.
Tesla is accepting reservations on it's website and the reporter who photographed it charging and another loaded and most likely on test run is not delusional.
Just out of curiosity. When and where? Is this the same recycled pic from a year ago. I have not seen any evidence of testing from the recent past.
I'm sure Elon is dying to show you one should you plant your b@tt in the steps of Tesla factory in Fremont just to allay your skepticism and convince you to make your own reservation.
I'm not up on the actual projected timeline but I think it was pushed to end 2020 for limited production. Battery capacity is probably the big hold up. Model Y production now moved up to end first quarter. Model 3 European demand still strong. Grid Superpack and power wall demand growing. Giga one isn't at max production yet but it is getting close. I'm not sure what the answer is. They also had to send packs to Giga 3 in Shanghai for the first few thousand MIC model 3's. But they will use those up quick now as they received their sales permit from the Chinese goverment on Friday. They are building about 110 cars per shift right now in China but will be adding a second shift soon and then a third. They'll go thru the stored up packs quick. Then they will be building packs right in Giga three. Bottom line there is just not enough battery capacity to cover a large amount of Semis right now. You can build 7 or 10 model 3's with the cells from one semi.
There are videos of the semi in the wild on YouTube.
Tesla is a victim of their own success. So much demand they can't keep their lines supplied with all the components.
It would be like Ram having a surge in demand for diesels and Cummins not being able to supply them, which in turn then hurts Ram sales.
mich800 wrote:
I have not seen news of semis going off the rails.
But here is the symptoms of "going off the rails". Dynamic videos showing semis on the road charging and being tested with loads and yet insist you got a legitimate question as to the timeline.
Let me id the people who has a right to legtimate question as to Tesla meeting the timeline: those who have a reservation or the Tesla investing community.
Are you any of them?
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
mich800 wrote:
I have not seen news of semis going off the rails.
But here is the symptoms of "going off the rails". Dynamic videos showing semis on the road charging and being tested with loads and yet insist you got a legitimate question as to the timeline.
Let me id the people who has a right to legtimate question as to Tesla meeting the timeline: those who have a reservation or the Tesla investing community.
Are you any of them?
Are you 12? You have real problems with reading comprehension and critical thinking. I will bow out and let the kids debate as real discussion has left this board. I am sure you KNOW your knowledge in the automotive industry is superior to those of us that actually work in it.
mich800 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
mich800 wrote:
I have not seen news of semis going off the rails.
But here is the symptoms of "going off the rails". Dynamic videos showing semis on the road charging and being tested with loads and yet insist you got a legitimate question as to the timeline.
Let me id the people who has a right to legtimate question as to Tesla meeting the timeline: those who have a reservation or the Tesla investing community.
Are you any of them?
Are you 12? You have real problems with reading comprehension and critical thinking. I will bow out and let the kids debate as real discussion has left this board. I am sure you KNOW your knowledge in the automotive industry is superior to those of us that actually work in it.
Yeah, go run home taking the ball with you, cry uncle and go to bed with tears in your eyes while remembering your glory days of working in cars putting in tires in the assembly line.
But seriously, I don't know how views are valid even if you worked on cars (or whatever it was you worked on your car or for car company).
* This post was edited 12/08/19 08:36pm by Yosemite Sam1 *
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videos:
Tesla truck cybertruck on 405 s FW, Dec ........-150 move out the way. Elon Musk driving
Elon Musk out driving in his Cybertruck !
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
mich800 wrote:
I have not seen news of semis going off the rails.
But here is the symptoms of "going off the rails". Dynamic videos showing semis on the road charging and being tested with loads and yet insist you got a legitimate question as to the timeline.
Let me id the people who has a right to legtimate question as to Tesla meeting the timeline: those who have a reservation or the Tesla investing community.
Are you any of them?
Are you 12? You have real problems with reading comprehension and critical thinking. I will bow out and let the kids debate as real discussion has left this board. I am sure you KNOW your knowledge in the automotive industry is superior to those of us that actually work in it.
Yeah, go run home taking the ball with you, cry uncle and go to bed with tears in your eyes while remembering your glory days of working in cars putting in tires in the assembly line.
But seriously, I don't know how views are valid even if you worked on cars (or whatever it was you worked on your car or for car company).
So our Tesla parent continues to be the bully. Offend people, brag about the money made, criticize everyone else with different scenarios, and then get really offensive.
Is Elon paying individuals to bully all the forums that do not praise his company?
GM has said it plans to introduce 20 EVs globally through 2023 and to sell 1 million EVs annually as of 2026. Based on prior years, that is about 15-20% of annual deliveries.
If I still have 5 vehicles at my house, I might switch one to electric. But I know that electric is not clean in my neighborhood. I know that my daughter could not drive from Kansas State to home in under 14 hours with an EV. I know that I would not have enough energy to run a pickup all day during hay season. So, an EV would not meet my requirements at this time.
Dadoffourgirls wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
mich800 wrote:
I have not seen news of semis going off the rails.
But here is the symptoms of "going off the rails". Dynamic videos showing semis on the road charging and being tested with loads and yet insist you got a legitimate question as to the timeline.
Let me id the people who has a right to legtimate question as to Tesla meeting the timeline: those who have a reservation or the Tesla investing community.
Are you any of them?
Are you 12? You have real problems with reading comprehension and critical thinking. I will bow out and let the kids debate as real discussion has left this board. I am sure you KNOW your knowledge in the automotive industry is superior to those of us that actually work in it.
Yeah, go run home taking the ball with you, cry uncle and go to bed with tears in your eyes while remembering your glory days of working in cars putting in tires in the assembly line.
But seriously, I don't know how views are valid even if you worked on cars (or whatever it was you worked on your car or for car company).
So our Tesla parent continues to be the bully. Offend people, brag about the money made, criticize everyone else with different scenarios, and then get really offensive.
Is Elon paying individuals to bully all the forums that do not praise his company?
GM has said it plans to introduce 20 EVs globally through 2023 and to sell 1 million EVs annually as of 2026. Based on prior years, that is about 15-20% of annual deliveries.
If I still have 5 vehicles at my house, I might switch one to electric. But I know that electric is not clean in my neighborhood. I know that my daughter could not drive from Kansas State to home in under 14 hours with an EV. I know that I would not have enough energy to run a pickup all day during hay season. So, an EV would not meet my requirements at this time.
Generally speaking I find non EVers to be considerably more offensive on this forum.
I have my doubts that GM will produce any significant amount of EV's in the next 5 years. They are having difficulty producing 3000 month right now.
Jmho.
Dadoffourgirls wrote:
So our Tesla parent continues to be the bully. Offend people, brag about the money made, criticize everyone else with different scenarios, and then get really offensive.
Is Elon paying individuals to bully all the forums that do not praise his company?
GM has said it plans to introduce 20 EVs globally through 2023 and to sell 1 million EVs annually as of 2026. Based on prior years, that is about 15-20% of annual deliveries.
If I still have 5 vehicles at my house, I might switch one to electric. But I know that electric is not clean in my neighborhood. I know that my daughter could not drive from Kansas State to home in under 14 hours with an EV. I know that I would not have enough energy to run a pickup all day during hay season. So, an EV would not meet my requirements at this time.
Most of the Tesla owners and fanboys I have dealt with that can't handle criticism even if it is true and logical.
I know the Tesla fanboys in my Facebook car group can't handle one single meme or video negative about Tesla even though they will post multiple negatives meme's about other brands. One kept posting meme's about BMW's on how their blinkers are useless and driver's are d-bags one day. He also posted a video of a Tesla beating a BMW in a race. I laughed at them because they are funny (it is just a car brand) even though I am BMW owner, and I didn't make any excuses for the BMW loosing the race(again, it is just a car brand).
However, when I posted the Engineering Explained video of the Tesla not having enough energy density to tow later that day, he and all the other Tesla fanboys that were liking his BMW meme's lost their shnit saying that he doesn't know what he is talking about, his math is incorrect, and so on. Ironically, they were praising Engineering Explained just a few months prior on the pro-Tesla video they posted.
Many vloggers on Youtube, from Jason Fenske to the guys at TFL, also mention this in their videos. They have stated multiple times that the Tesla fanboys are the worst at harassment if you say anything negative about a Tesla even though you say ten positive things along with it. I have also read it in other blogs as well on how fierce and illogical some get. They have even been voted on Twitter and multiple websites as the worst fanbase by far. Poll: Elon Musk fans are the worst
However, I doubt they will not see what they are doing as bad and just justify it as everyone else being negative haters even though we are just trying to inject some logic and rationale into their delusions. Not all Tesla/Elon fanboys are this bad, but many I have come across are.
* This post was last edited 12/09/19 10:03am by ShinerBock *
I think the thing should be impounded next time this thing is found on a public highway.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I'm trying to figure out how lying Elon can drive an "illegal" vehicle on the public highways?
I think the thing should be impounded next time this thing is found on a public highway.
Sue him!
You can sign if off as: By, for and in behalf of Tesla haters and hecklers.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I'm trying to figure out how lying Elon can drive an "illegal" vehicle on the public highways?
I think the thing should be impounded next time this thing is found on a public highway.
I think people rolling coal should be put in group homes.
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Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I'm trying to figure out how lying Elon can drive an "illegal" vehicle on the public highways?
I think the thing should be impounded next time this thing is found on a public highway.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I'm trying to figure out how lying Elon can drive an "illegal" vehicle on the public highways?
I think the thing should be impounded next time this thing is found on a public highway.
Can I add another negative this would have to be the most anti pedestrian vehicle I have ever seen. It is basically a wedge with very sharp edges what appears to be almost a blade in the front and very sharp edges round it would fail crash standards in Europe possibly the US and Australia
8.1 Van wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I'm trying to figure out how lying Elon can drive an "illegal" vehicle on the public highways?
I think the thing should be impounded next time this thing is found on a public highway.
I think people rolling coal should be put in group homes.
I agree, but the funny part is your 8.1L van is probably spewing more carbon than that truck over the course of 100 miles especially if you haven't replaced the catalytic converter which converts less and less carbon over time until it fails. Also, just because you don't see it doesn't mean your direct injected car isn't spewing all sorts of PM.
ShinerBock wrote:
I agree, but the funny part is your 8.1L van is probably spewing more carbon than that truck over the course of 100 miles especially if you haven't replaced the catalytic converter which converts less and less carbon over time until it fails. Also, just because you don't see it doesn't mean your direct injected car isn't spewing all sorts of PM.
The pictured truck was deliberately modified.
time2roll wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
I agree, but the funny part is your 8.1L van is probably spewing more carbon than that truck over the course of 100 miles especially if you haven't replaced the catalytic converter which converts less and less carbon over time until it fails. Also, just because you don't see it doesn't mean your direct injected car isn't spewing all sorts of PM.
The difference is that 8.1L did not modify the emissions or engine control systems.
The pictured truck was deliberately modified.
As I said, I agreed with him on rolling coal. However, you cannot have a holier than thou complex if you are spewing the same (if not more) carbon emissions in your tow vehicle deliberate modified or not. You may see things differently, I don't.
8.1 Van wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I'm trying to figure out how lying Elon can drive an "illegal" vehicle on the public highways?
I think the thing should be impounded next time this thing is found on a public highway.
I think people rolling coal should be put in group homes.
This is deliberate.
And their favorite victims are hybrids and EVs.
Except that they are the ones being left eating dust with Tesla EVs.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Except that they are the ones being left eating dust with Tesla EVs.
Until it passes you at the charging station about 100 miles later. What is the point of all that power when you can't go above 70 in fear of hurting your range when towing?
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Except that they are the ones being left eating dust with Tesla EVs.
Until it passes you at the charging station about 100 miles later. What is the point of all that power when you can't go above 70 in fear of hurting your range when towing?
These are actually situations in the freeways of California and Reno -- unlike your delusional scenarios drawn out from you beautiful dreams after eating two tons of left-over turkey from last Thanksgiving.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Except that they are the ones being left eating dust with Tesla EVs.
Until it passes you at the charging station about 100 miles later. What is the point of all that power when you can't go above 70 in fear of hurting your range when towing?
These are actually situations in the freeways of California and Reno -- unlike your delusional scenarios drawn out from you beautiful dreams after eating two tons of left-over turkey from last Thanksgiving.
So these stations allow you to recharge back to full in less than 15 minutes to make it another 100 miles while hooked up to a trailer? Because I can go well over 250 miles in three and a half hours on one tank of fuel without stopping at 70 mph.
Reisender wrote:
Generally speaking I find non EVers to be considerably more offensive on this forum.
I have my doubts that GM will produce any significant amount of EV's in the next 5 years. They are having difficulty producing 3000 month right now.
Jmho.
Did you see where GM and LG Chem have created a joint venture to build batteries? Each is investing nearly $1 million.
They expect capacity to be 50% more than the Tesla Gigafactory.
GM is investing $3 million to build electric trucks in the Detroit-Hamtramck plant.
Can you please share what a "significant amount" would be? I would like to track progress against your measure.
I have doubts that Tesla will produce any significant profit myself. They haven't produced much in years. I would call significant profit $6 Billion GAAP Profit in a calendar year.
stsmark wrote:
Turtle, I was thinking the same thing. Out at night with questionable headlights and no side mirrors? Frankly the hubcaps are just plain silly.
Agree with Turtle and sts
Don't think they are DOT certified and those sharp edges deadly
Hardened SS...?!? Why ? Maybe anti-door dings very high on Tusk's gotta have list
Surely welded flat sheets and ground down to form those sharp seam/edges...then did they come back to harden it after ? Hardened is brittle...wonder if they told Tusk and who made the decision for the marketing "hardened"...
Another possible possible basis for the look...movie "Upgrade"
![[image]](https://bestmoviecars.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Made-for-Movie.jpg)
Although I do wonder about how well that SS will absorb energy in a collision.
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Except that they are the ones being left eating dust with Tesla EVs.
Until it passes you at the charging station about 100 miles later. What is the point of all that power when you can't go above 70 in fear of hurting your range when towing?
These are actually situations in the freeways of California and Reno -- unlike your delusional scenarios drawn out from you beautiful dreams after eating two tons of left-over turkey from last Thanksgiving.
So these stations allow you to recharge back to full in less than 15 minutes to make it another 100 miles while hooked up to a trailer? Because I can go well over 250 miles in three and a half hours on one tank of fuel without stopping at 70 mph.
I'll put it here slowly so you can catch up and understand.
I may also be repeating what EV owners already said, most Tesla owners charge their EVs at home.
Let me know which part of that you don't understand.
BenK wrote:
stsmark wrote:
Turtle, I was thinking the same thing. Out at night with questionable headlights and no side mirrors? Frankly the hubcaps are just plain silly.
Agree with Turtle and sts
Don't think they are DOT certified and those sharp edges deadly
Hardened SS...?!? Why ? Maybe anti-door dings very high on Tusk's gotta have list
Surely welded flat sheets and ground down to form those sharp seam/edges...then did they come back to harden it after ? Hardened is brittle...wonder if they told Tusk and who made the decision for the marketing "hardened"...
Another possible possible basis for the look...movie "Upgrade"
I like the movie upgrade.
Dadoffourgirls wrote:
GM is investing $3 million to build electric trucks in the Detroit-Hamtramck plant.
I wonder how far $3 million will go. Unless GM and LG want to compete with Energizer battery.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Except that they are the ones being left eating dust with Tesla EVs.
Until it passes you at the charging station about 100 miles later. What is the point of all that power when you can't go above 70 in fear of hurting your range when towing?
These are actually situations in the freeways of California and Reno -- unlike your delusional scenarios drawn out from you beautiful dreams after eating two tons of left-over turkey from last Thanksgiving.
So these stations allow you to recharge back to full in less than 15 minutes to make it another 100 miles while hooked up to a trailer? Because I can go well over 250 miles in three and a half hours on one tank of fuel without stopping at 70 mph.
I'll put it here slowly so you can catch up and understand.
I may also be repeating what EV owners already said, most Tesla owners charge their EVs at home.
Let me know which part of that you don't understand.
If you want to start talking to me like I am stupid then I will respond in kind....
What I am talking about is towing more than 200 or even 100 miles away like many RVers here do. Yeah, that initial full charge from home may get to 100 miles(maybe), but what about after that? Are you planning on going over the speed limit to catch up or stay ahead? If so, that will reduce your range significantly.
If I raced this Tesla truck 250 miles towing a 10-12k rv, I bet I would get there first with me doing the speed limit and the Tesla truck doing 20 mph over the speed limit. Why, because the Tesla truck will have to recharge for an hour(probably multiple times at that speed) before it gets there and will possibly have to unhook the trailer to do so. Even if I had to get fuel(which is highly unlikely), it would take me less than 10 minutes to do so.
So the Tesla may win the sprint, but it will not win the marathon. At least not with today's technology.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I wonder how far $3 million will go. Unless GM and LG want to compete with Energizer battery.
time2roll wrote:
Only seen occupant safety tests. Never a bystander test.
Although I do wonder about how well that SS will absorb energy in a collision.
I am not sure if there are specific pedestrian regs but there are various groups that have influence to help make vehicles safer and minimize injuries in car/pedestrian accidents.
As far as street legal. The cybertruck is definitely not legal in its current form. And you are correct about exceptions to prototype/low volume vehicles. Many early test vehicles we get, with the exceptions of seat belts have no other active safety features like airbags and other things commonly found on production vehicles.
time2roll wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I wonder how far $3 million will go. Unless GM and LG want to compete with Energizer battery.
I think it is a million spelled with a 'B'.
It's actually spelled 2,300,000,000.00 for the battery joint venture with LG, supposedly in Lordstown OH.
They said up to $3,000,000,000.00 for Detroit/Hamtramck Assembly. It will be retooled for electric truck production.
Dadoffourgirls wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Generally speaking I find non EVers to be considerably more offensive on this forum.
I have my doubts that GM will produce any significant amount of EV's in the next 5 years. They are having difficulty producing 3000 month right now.
Jmho.
Did you see where GM and LG Chem have created a joint venture to build batteries? Each is investing nearly $1 million.
They expect capacity to be 50% more than the Tesla Gigafactory.
GM is investing $3 million to build electric trucks in the Detroit-Hamtramck plant.
Can you please share what a "significant amount" would be? I would like to track progress against your measure.
I have doubts that Tesla will produce any significant profit myself. They haven't produced much in years. I would call significant profit $6 Billion GAAP Profit in a calendar year.
Hard to say. I wish GM well here. There are a ton of families employed all over the world by GM. The ability of GM to modernize will be pivotal to their survival although with GM it's just a matter of asking for another bail out. Maybe at least shoot for over a quarter million EV's a year within 5 years.
A random number for me would be a 10 fold number of what they produce right now. To me this would show a move in the right direction.
I don't expect Tesla to show any significant profit in the next decade. I suspect they will be a lot bigger though.
Jmho.
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I'm trying to figure out how lying Elon can drive an "illegal" vehicle on the public highways?
I think the thing should be impounded next time this thing is found on a public highway.
Here in NJ we "Manufacturer" tags.
Basically lets a manufacturer drive anything on the road.
I'm sure CA and MI being big car states, have something similar.
NJRVer wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I'm trying to figure out how lying Elon can drive an "illegal" vehicle on the public highways?
I think the thing should be impounded next time this thing is found on a public highway.
Here in NJ we "Manufacturer" tags.
Basically lets a manufacturer drive anything on the road.
I'm sure CA and MI being big car states, have something similar.
And the nice thing with M plates is they are not tied to a specific vehicle. Like dealer plates.
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Except that they are the ones being left eating dust with Tesla EVs.
Until it passes you at the charging station about 100 miles later. What is the point of all that power when you can't go above 70 in fear of hurting your range when towing?
These are actually situations in the freeways of California and Reno -- unlike your delusional scenarios drawn out from you beautiful dreams after eating two tons of left-over turkey from last Thanksgiving.
So these stations allow you to recharge back to full in less than 15 minutes to make it another 100 miles while hooked up to a trailer? Because I can go well over 250 miles in three and a half hours on one tank of fuel without stopping at 70 mph.
I'll put it here slowly so you can catch up and understand.
I may also be repeating what EV owners already said, most Tesla owners charge their EVs at home.
Let me know which part of that you don't understand.
If you want to start talking to me like I am stupid then I will respond in kind....
What I am talking about is towing more than 200 or even 100 miles away like many RVers here do. Yeah, that initial full charge from home may get to 100 miles(maybe), but what about after that? Are you planning on going over the speed limit to catch up or stay ahead? If so, that will reduce your range significantly.
If I raced this Tesla truck 250 miles towing a 10-12k rv, I bet I would get there first with me doing the speed limit and the Tesla truck doing 20 mph over the speed limit. Why, because the Tesla truck will have to recharge for an hour(probably multiple times at that speed) before it gets there and will possibly have to unhook the trailer to do so. Even if I had to get fuel(which is highly unlikely), it would take me less than 10 minutes to do so.
So the Tesla may win the sprint, but it will not win the marathon. At least not with today's technology.
I'm extremely reluctant and it saddened me to do it -- but you are not helping yourself and seems to insist on showing it to us all.
And here again as a cure to your delusions. No one has bought any Tesla yet just for RV towing. In fact, of all my several thousands of miles on road trips, I've not seen one doing it (save for the stupdid Youtube show). So I don't know what you are talking about.
So if the scenario you illustrated comes to pass, bless you if you are 1,000,000 miles ahead of me. I don't mind and I don't care. I am happy with my pace now and I'll be happy if that's my pacing too when I have a Tesla truck and towing my RV.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Except that they are the ones being left eating dust with Tesla EVs.
Until it passes you at the charging station about 100 miles later. What is the point of all that power when you can't go above 70 in fear of hurting your range when towing?
These are actually situations in the freeways of California and Reno -- unlike your delusional scenarios drawn out from you beautiful dreams after eating two tons of left-over turkey from last Thanksgiving.
So these stations allow you to recharge back to full in less than 15 minutes to make it another 100 miles while hooked up to a trailer? Because I can go well over 250 miles in three and a half hours on one tank of fuel without stopping at 70 mph.
I'll put it here slowly so you can catch up and understand.
I may also be repeating what EV owners already said, most Tesla owners charge their EVs at home.
Let me know which part of that you don't understand.
If you want to start talking to me like I am stupid then I will respond in kind....
What I am talking about is towing more than 200 or even 100 miles away like many RVers here do. Yeah, that initial full charge from home may get to 100 miles(maybe), but what about after that? Are you planning on going over the speed limit to catch up or stay ahead? If so, that will reduce your range significantly.
If I raced this Tesla truck 250 miles towing a 10-12k rv, I bet I would get there first with me doing the speed limit and the Tesla truck doing 20 mph over the speed limit. Why, because the Tesla truck will have to recharge for an hour(probably multiple times at that speed) before it gets there and will possibly have to unhook the trailer to do so. Even if I had to get fuel(which is highly unlikely), it would take me less than 10 minutes to do so.
So the Tesla may win the sprint, but it will not win the marathon. At least not with today's technology.
I'm extremely reluctant and it saddened me to do it -- but you are not helping yourself and seems to insist on showing it to us all.
And here again as a cure to your delusions. No one has bought any Tesla yet just for RV towing. In fact, of all my several thousands of miles on road trips, I've not seen one doing it (save for the stupdid Youtube show). So I don't know what you are talking about.
So if the scenario you illustrated comes to pass, bless you if you are 1,000,000 miles ahead of me. I don't mind and I don't care. I am happy with my pace now and I'll be happy if that's my pacing too when I have a Tesla truck and towing my RV.
This whole thing started becuase you stated "Except that they are the ones being left eating dust with Tesla EVs." So now you don't care about who leaves who in the dust since now that you know that it will likely be the Tesla truck being left in the dust when towing more than 150 miles? Typical irrational fanboy response when he finds out his favorite may not be the next best thing since Betty White after all.
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Except that they are the ones being left eating dust with Tesla EVs.
Until it passes you at the charging station about 100 miles later. What is the point of all that power when you can't go above 70 in fear of hurting your range when towing?
These are actually situations in the freeways of California and Reno -- unlike your delusional scenarios drawn out from you beautiful dreams after eating two tons of left-over turkey from last Thanksgiving.
So these stations allow you to recharge back to full in less than 15 minutes to make it another 100 miles while hooked up to a trailer? Because I can go well over 250 miles in three and a half hours on one tank of fuel without stopping at 70 mph.
I'll put it here slowly so you can catch up and understand.
I may also be repeating what EV owners already said, most Tesla owners charge their EVs at home.
Let me know which part of that you don't understand.
If you want to start talking to me like I am stupid then I will respond in kind....
What I am talking about is towing more than 200 or even 100 miles away like many RVers here do. Yeah, that initial full charge from home may get to 100 miles(maybe), but what about after that? Are you planning on going over the speed limit to catch up or stay ahead? If so, that will reduce your range significantly.
If I raced this Tesla truck 250 miles towing a 10-12k rv, I bet I would get there first with me doing the speed limit and the Tesla truck doing 20 mph over the speed limit. Why, because the Tesla truck will have to recharge for an hour(probably multiple times at that speed) before it gets there and will possibly have to unhook the trailer to do so. Even if I had to get fuel(which is highly unlikely), it would take me less than 10 minutes to do so.
So the Tesla may win the sprint, but it will not win the marathon. At least not with today's technology.
I'm extremely reluctant and it saddened me to do it -- but you are not helping yourself and seems to insist on showing it to us all.
And here again as a cure to your delusions. No one has bought any Tesla yet just for RV towing. In fact, of all my several thousands of miles on road trips, I've not seen one doing it (save for the stupdid Youtube show). So I don't know what you are talking about.
So if the scenario you illustrated comes to pass, bless you if you are 1,000,000 miles ahead of me. I don't mind and I don't care. I am happy with my pace now and I'll be happy if that's my pacing too when I have a Tesla truck and towing my RV.
This whole thing started becuase you stated "Except that they are the ones being left eating dust with Tesla EVs." So now you don't care about who leaves who in the dust since now that you know that it will likely be the Tesla truck being left in the dust when towing more than 150 miles? Typical irrational fanboy response when he finds out his favorite may not be the next best thing since Betty White after all.
Keep track of your delusions.
These are actual situations that my daughter complained about and what I've seen myself in I-5 where those huge diesel trucks will deliberate spew black smoke on hybrids and EVs. None of these hybrid or Tesla were towing any RV which you inserted into the scenario.
You don't just fail to understand, you deliberately distort it.
Geez!
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Except that they are the ones being left eating dust with Tesla EVs.
Until it passes you at the charging station about 100 miles later. What is the point of all that power when you can't go above 70 in fear of hurting your range when towing?
These are actually situations in the freeways of California and Reno -- unlike your delusional scenarios drawn out from you beautiful dreams after eating two tons of left-over turkey from last Thanksgiving.
So these stations allow you to recharge back to full in less than 15 minutes to make it another 100 miles while hooked up to a trailer? Because I can go well over 250 miles in three and a half hours on one tank of fuel without stopping at 70 mph.
I'll put it here slowly so you can catch up and understand.
I may also be repeating what EV owners already said, most Tesla owners charge their EVs at home.
Let me know which part of that you don't understand.
If you want to start talking to me like I am stupid then I will respond in kind....
What I am talking about is towing more than 200 or even 100 miles away like many RVers here do. Yeah, that initial full charge from home may get to 100 miles(maybe), but what about after that? Are you planning on going over the speed limit to catch up or stay ahead? If so, that will reduce your range significantly.
If I raced this Tesla truck 250 miles towing a 10-12k rv, I bet I would get there first with me doing the speed limit and the Tesla truck doing 20 mph over the speed limit. Why, because the Tesla truck will have to recharge for an hour(probably multiple times at that speed) before it gets there and will possibly have to unhook the trailer to do so. Even if I had to get fuel(which is highly unlikely), it would take me less than 10 minutes to do so.
So the Tesla may win the sprint, but it will not win the marathon. At least not with today's technology.
I'm extremely reluctant and it saddened me to do it -- but you are not helping yourself and seems to insist on showing it to us all.
And here again as a cure to your delusions. No one has bought any Tesla yet just for RV towing. In fact, of all my several thousands of miles on road trips, I've not seen one doing it (save for the stupdid Youtube show). So I don't know what you are talking about.
So if the scenario you illustrated comes to pass, bless you if you are 1,000,000 miles ahead of me. I don't mind and I don't care. I am happy with my pace now and I'll be happy if that's my pacing too when I have a Tesla truck and towing my RV.
This whole thing started becuase you stated "Except that they are the ones being left eating dust with Tesla EVs." So now you don't care about who leaves who in the dust since now that you know that it will likely be the Tesla truck being left in the dust when towing more than 150 miles? Typical irrational fanboy response when he finds out his favorite may not be the next best thing since Betty White after all.
Keep track of your delusions.
These are actual situations that my daughter complained about and what I've seen myself in I-5 where those huge diesel trucks will deliberate spew black smoke on hybrids and EVs. None of these hybrid or Tesla were towing any RV which you inserted into the scenario.
You don't just fail to understand, you deliberately distort it.
Geez!
Spoken like a typical Tesla fanatic that has seen his delusions go down the drain with facts.
ShinerBock wrote:
Spoken like a typical Tesla fanatic that has seen his delusions go down the drain with facts.
You just came up with new debating strategy: Act as a snowflake with clueless and empty-of-substance post when caught with your pants down.
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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Spoken like a typical Tesla fanatic that has seen his delusions go down the drain with facts.
You just came up with new debating strategy: Act as a snowflake with clueless and empty-of-substance post when caught with your pants down.
Lol.
At least I don't have delusions that a Tesla truck can actually out tow an ICE in long distance towing. I will be more tha happy to meet up with you when you get your Cybertruck to see who can make it 250 miles towing a 12k RV first.
Just say when...
RobertRyan wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I'm trying to figure out how lying Elon can drive an "illegal" vehicle on the public highways?
I think the thing should be impounded next time this thing is found on a public highway.
Can I add another negative this would have to be the most anti pedestrian vehicle I have ever seen. It is basically a wedge with very sharp edges what appears to be almost a blade in the front and very sharp edges round it would fail crash standards in Europe possibly the US and Australia
Anti pedestrian
Thats the idea
Perfect for zombie apocalypse dont you think?
Anyway would you care to stand on the highway and get hit by Ford Dodge or GMC at 60 mph to find out how pedestrian friendly those boxy trucks are?
Im beting next sily coment will be that Cybetruck is too strong for the ocupants of it and they may get hurt as it has no crash zone to soften the blow.
Well guess what
They invented these things called Seat belts.
Use them
ShinerBock wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
ShinerBock wrote:
Spoken like a typical Tesla fanatic that has seen his delusions go down the drain with facts.
You just came up with new debating strategy: Act as a snowflake with clueless and empty-of-substance post when caught with your pants down.
Lol.
At least I don't have delusions that a Tesla truck can actually out tow an ICE in long distance towing. I will be more tha happy to meet up with you when you get your Cybertruck to see who can make it 250 miles towing a 12k RV first.
Just say when...
Another of your delusions. I have not said that -- yet!
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